The president had yet another strange mark on his hands over Christmas, once again raising concerns that his health is not what he has claimed it to be.

Donald Trump—the oldest person to ever be elected president—was photographed with what appeared to be another bruise on Christmas Eve, this time marring his left hand.

The 79-year-old has repeatedly claimed that he is in pristine condition, brushing off public alarm over his deteriorating body.

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    It’s nothing to be alarmed about. Trump’s bruised hand vigorously shook hands with the other hand. Nothing out of the ordinary.

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    I’m not “concerned” or “alarmed” that he may be in poor health.

    I’m cautiously hopeful that he may be in poor health.

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    I am commenting just because I take issue with the headline. The bruise did not spread to his other hand. He has a bruise on one hand and a separate bruise on another hand. There’s no spreading because that’s not how a bruise works. It’s not fucking contagious.

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      I don’t want to think about any part of his body whatsoever, but he does generally wear a shirt and jacket so we don’t see his arms or chest. It’s possible that the bruise on his hand did literally spread to the other hand via his arms and torso.

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      You are using entirely the wrong sense of the word. It didn’t spread like a rash, it spread like an idea. It spread like a bad smell. It spread like a poorly kept secret.

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        For sure. I do understand how it was used, but it still sounds stupid. Just write, “Bruise appears on Trump’s other hand—speculations rise” or something to that effect.

        Edit: I think in a world where people just read the headlines, and with many Americans reading at a low level, that people might take it more literally which I why I don’t like the headline as written.

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          And to forestall your next objection, headlines ARE poetry. It’s a form of constrained writing with hundreds of years of poetic conventions and devices.

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            It’s the kind of poetry a Vogon would produce after his second Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster.

            Source : Took journalism in school and it fucked up my ACTs.

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            There’s nothing poetic about the comma conjunction.

            It’s a form of constrained writing with hundreds of years of poetic conventions and devices.

            The same is true of natural language to a great extent. It’s metaphor and idiom all the way down, with a bit of grammatical glue. Well, a lot of grammatical glue in some languages.

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          Imagine a world with no poetry. How horrid. Let stupid people be confused, they are perfectly used to it and have a faculty for it you cannot defeat.

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            I hear what you’re saying, but let poetry be in poems and let direct truth be in headlines. I don’t see a reason to pretty up news.

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              Damn it, your predictable knee jerk response was almost faster than I could anticipate. That’s how basic you’re being right now.

              You cannot fit “truth” in an entire broadsheet page, let alone a headline. That is why it is unavoidably poetic. I’m not making an analogy, headlines literally are poetry.

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    My father had those bruises on his hands in the last coupe years of his life. I don’t care what caused them. I know what they mean. Can’t happen fast enough.

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    Some people speculate is dementia drug infusions.

    I did work for about a year doing pharm research for Alzheimer’s. Most of those drugs are infusions.

    However. None of them stop or reverse loss.

    They just slow it down And they aren’t even that effective. Honestly the data I saw… My opinion was. :

    -Desperate people are going to pay this $1200 a month infusion cost for literally no benefit and extra risks.

    Based on the documents I read, for one of the drugs we were testing (I forget the drug but I recall it’s already used to treat ALS)-

    The dosage needed to cause a change in Alzheimer’s would have a serious health risk of brain bleeding.

    The dose we were using was like 1/3 of the expected effectiveness dosage.

    I thought this was kind of unethical because people signed up to be in the study with the hope of a medicine that would help them. And that’s how it was presented to them.

    However. The study was really just trying to see how much brain bleeding occured at 1/3 dose.

    With zero expectations for actual effectiveness on slowing down the progress.

    I did not like the ethical issues with this line of work.

    Anywho I have gotten on a tangent.

    The other thing I wanted to say is , if these drugs are to have any effects in slowing (but none stop or reverse , just to be 100% clear on this), then the person MUST start them with early symptoms. What is called “mild cognitive impairment”.

    They do nothing if symptoms are already noticeable.

    And most people don’t realize they have dementia until it’s already moderate because they mask their symptoms. Or their symptoms are often excused because “pops/Mom is getting old and that’s normal”.

    Its progressive.

    Slow at first. And most don’t notice until it’s gotten pretty bad.

    Trump almost certainly has fronto temporal dementia.

    I’m not the only neuroscientist to say so.

    I’m not clinical but I did work with dementia patients. Plus many clinicians are saying the same.

    He’s got classic text ook symptoms.

    People excuse his word salad because it slowly got worse.

    But read out loud anything he writes or says.

    It’s nonsense. That’s not normal. Read this and it’s a good example of Trump’s speech patterns.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Logorrhea_(psychology)&wprov=rarw1

    -In a more extreme version of logorrhea aphasia, a clinician asked a male patient, also with Wernicke’s aphasia, what brought him to the hospital. The patient responded:

    -Is this some of the work that we work as we did before? … All right … From when wine [why] I’m here. What’s wrong with me because I … was myself until the taenz took something about the time between me and my regular time in that time and they took the time in that time here and that’s when the time took around here and saw me around in it’s started with me no time and I bekan [began] work of nothing else that’s the way the doctor find me that way …[5]

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      I feel like I can actually get a somewhat of a sense of what this person is trying to communicate though. It seems like there’s an actual idea underneath all the confusion. With Trump, I’m not so sure that’s the case.

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      Someone close to me got early-onset frontotemporal dementia. It progressed rapidly, he was dead within six years. The variant he had made him nonverbal rather than getting logorrhea. It’s an absolutely hellish condition, possibly even worse than standard Alzheimers. I’d see my friend every couple of months (I live far from where he did) and even in that period, you could see the decline.

      With Trump’s venous insufficiency, he could also be getting vascular dementia, rather than Alzheimers. But then, it would make less sense that they’d be treating him with an Alzheimers drug.

      Regardless of what it is, he deserves to suffer horribly.

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      -In a more extreme version of logorrhea aphasia, a clinician asked a male patient, also with Wernicke’s aphasia, what brought him to the hospital. The patient responded:

      -Is this some of the work that we work as we did before? … All right … From when wine [why] I’m here. What’s wrong with me because I … was myself until the taenz took something about the time between me and my regular time in that time and they took the time in that time here and that’s when the time took around here and saw me around in it’s started with me no time and I bekan [began] work of nothing else that’s the way the doctor find me that way …[5]

      is bro an autocomplete

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      Then you also know he could go another 10 years like this. I’m not optimistic about an election; I think he’s in power until he whiffs his last Adderall. His handlers have a stake in this. They’ll keep him barely ambulatory for as long as they can, because the orders he’s signing and the countries he’s attacking are all Miller.

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    I’ve lost track of the Trump period calendar going into the holidays, but my bet remains:

    https://www.verywellhealth.com/injectable-alzheimers-drugs-8776312

    In the open-label trial of subcutaneous Leqembi, 8% of patients experienced reactions at the injection site, and most side effects were mild or moderate, according to Eisai.

    People who take Leqembi and Kisunla are required to get an MRI brain scan once a quarter to check for signs of brain damage, such as swelling and bleeding. Such amyloid-related imaging abnormalities (ARIA) can occur when someone uses a drug designed to clear amyloid. Most ARIA are asymptomatic or cause mild symptoms, but some ARIA require hospitalization and special treatment.

    Eisai reported that people who received subcutaneous injections had slightly higher rates of ARIA than those who got an IV infusion, but the sample size of the injection group was small enough that an exact comparison can’t be made.

    Trumps’ been on this 28 day schedule of being very peppy, then dragging ass, then being practically dead, then getting his pep back. It lines up with the visual symptoms we see with his hands. He’s also on his like, 3rd or 4th “annual”* MRI for the year.

    *there is no annual MRI

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      I specialize in orthopedics and rehabilitation, so this isn’t exactly my expertise. However, a lot of my patients are geriatrics and a lot of geriatric patients have hand bruising, especially if they are on a blood thinner like warfarin.

      Imo when Trump has his meeting with Putin in Alaska when his entire team panicked, I think he had a bit of a stroke. Strokes are pretty common after long plane rides, especially when you are 80 and your diet is mainly fast foods filled with trans and saturated fats.

      We already know he’s probably got something like PVD due to his peripheral edema, so a stroke or other cardiovascular events aren’t really surprising. I just think he’s on warfarin or some other thinner that causes peripheral bruising.

      I personally doubt this is from an IV, as the hand isn’t the only place you can place those. If he was trying to obscure his treatment they would just place the IV in his forearm.

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        I’m 70, in great health, I exercise regularly and have a healthy diet. Even with all that, when I had surgery recently that required general anesthetic, I came home with a massive hematoma on the back of my hand as a souvenir of a less-than-optimally-placed IV cannula.

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          Yes, bruising is a common side effect of IV inversion…which is why it would be weird to do it on the president’s hand if they were concerned about optics. There are plenty of places you can put an IV.

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        The hand or the arm are specifically cited as where to place the IV for this class of drugs (at least in the material I’ve been able to read). It also explains the 3 month cycle (ish) of MRI’s, which is called for because this class of drugs increases potential for brain damage (hence the MRI’s).

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          The hand or the arm are specifically cited as where to place the IV for this class of drugs (at least in the material I’ve been able to read).

          I mean that’s most IV drugs as it’s the least invasive place to do it. However, for someone trying to obscure their health problems an IV in the hand is crazy.

          explains the 3 month cycle (ish) of MRI’s

          Same for something like a stroke, or even a slip and fall tbi.

          The point is that there are plenty of reasons for an elderly person to have bruising on their hands, but experimental Alzheimer’s treatment is a bit far-fetched.

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            Sure. Its just where I see the body of evidence lining up. Not with tbi or stroke, but with an Alzheimer’s diagnosis coupled with the “the very best” treatment medical science has to offer. TBI and stroke are just as speculative but don’t explain other aspects of what we see (the very clear cycle of pep and pause). Which is why I’m “betting” that its an Alzheimer’s diagnosis. Its a longer shot (maybe), but because its a longer shot the payoff for being right is higher.

      • He lacks everything that made trump president, the first thing the fact that he is not trump. MAGA is a cult of personality, they worship trump. The couch-fucker is way behind trump in the maga likeability. He does not move masses as the child rapist does. He will become president, yes, but the maga cult will implode and they will enjoy a civil war in their own party for that.

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        You’re forgetting that Vance will become president. He might be even worse.

        Given that the same puppeteers have their hands up Vance’s ass, that and Vance is not an incontinent geriatric moron, he could be much worse.

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        It fear it will be the same as with Charlie Kirk. A very loud minority along with an army of AI social media users will agressively threaten anyone who says that the death was not a huge loss.

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          And here we are joking about the asshole sowing the wind only to reap the whirlwind. The patron saint of FAFO.

          • There’s a bunch of problems derived from the child rapist existence so I’d say it will solve a few.

            And will give us satisfaction for seeing a child rapist kick the bucket, that’s always good news.

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            And perpetuate the rest as everyone starts acting like the problem is over and they can return to before

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              Do then hopefully it goes one and off getting worse and more painful to the point where he’s barley functional enough to keep being the king but not doing much else? Can he do that for his country for the next 3 years? Or maybe until November?

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            If it also had a rusty chassis and needs 4 new tires and the window is back ordered or no longer available, it might be time for a whole new used car.

            What I’m trying to say is that if the midterms don’t go well, my family and I are going to look into that Canadian descendants citizenship thing.

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        I plan on celebrating that illustrious day, but I do think we need to temper expectations a bit. I am truly not convinced it will actually change much. Trump is a symptom not the mastermind.

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          Yes, but Trump is the figurehead of a cult of personality and those never survive the loss of their face. There are enough loose cannons and outright insane people within the conservative political sphere that even if there is some kind of secret master plan on what to do after Trump is gone, once the inevitable shitstorm of internal backstabbing starts as everyone desperately scrambles to put themselves at the top it’s likely to all go down in flames.

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            The RWA (Right Wing Authoritarian) personality type is notorious about lining up behind a figure they deem as “strong”, though. Suggested reading: Bob Altemeyer’s The Authoritarians.

            So I guess we’ll see.

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      I’ve said it before, but when that headline comes through, I’m going to buy a flag pole, a flag, and raise that thing to the top. I’ll remove all of it after the half staff order ends, but I want everyone that drives by to know just how I feel.

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        I do wonder how many of those we may be seeing…

        If Republicans and centrists and some so-called leftists and liberals clutch their pearls over it - first of all, FUCK THEM. But, secondly, remind them that the conservatives are the ones that raised the flags for Donvict’s inauguration even though Carter was being remembered by having flags at half-mast just prior.

        This is the party that lowered flags for that POS of Charlie Kirk. Some people just don’t deserve this honor.

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        I’m just going to do a Grumpy Cat “Good.” and completely forget his ass. It’s what he deserves, as the most important thing to him is his name and ego. Fuck him.

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      Famous people seem to die on New Years Eve a lot, although it probably just seems that way cause of cognitive bias. People die every day

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    The White House previously said that Trump’s hand looked that way because he shook so many hands. So, how can they explain it on his left hand? Did he get it from jerking off two horses at once or something?