The question has been framed in the streets: is a government that impoverishes healthcare and nutrition, flouts the law, enriches its officials, imprisons babies, and kills its citizens worth the money it collects, much less the respect and obedience it demands?
Democrats have nothing to lose by shutting down the government to force the majority party to respond to these questions and the one that looms over all: what, if any, is the political and moral future of the US?
too late, the dems caved.
HFC - High-Frequency Caving
The Untied States needs to just start over from scratch
Personally, I think that a future incarnation of the United States can be one nation, but divided into four regions, each with their own president and branches. Western, Middle, Eastern, and Outer America. The outer region is places outside of the contiguous US, such as Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, military bases like Djibouti, Greenland, and so forth.
These presidents can elect a Figurehead President, who heads the national executive for one term, and no more. Each region donates soldiers and other resources to the national government, and the national court is expanded to have an equal number of justices from each region. I am thinking about 21 justices - 4 from each region, and each president selecting a justice who represents their executive branch during the tenure of their president.
This would make it much harder for any one faction to have controlling power over politics, and make genuine collaboration much more likely.
The resulting power vacuum would result in something far worse. Our best chance is to revive this dead democracy and fix the shit that allowed this to happen.
I don’t think that’s possible though with this electorate.
“Burn it all down” is a simplistic, unrealistic strategy. It’s said more to express frustration than to suggest serious policy.
At the very least the DNC needs to go, that is a non-negotiable truth at this point.
Specially the RNC branch of the DNC. Specially important to not allow people with repeated last names or family ties to be president. There’s plenty of last names that haven’t had a turn at being president. Also we need a woman president and quick!
There is no RNC branch of the DNC.
Also we need a woman president and quick!
Are you serious?
Very serious. The RNC branch with all their ballot conspiracy and murderous actions should step aside so that someone can fix their mess. Like when Gramps spills a glass of milk on the table because he soiled himself. Grandpa RNC just needs his fox news and a few pills. The rest of us gotta clean that shit up and move on…don’t let Gramp’s back in the kitchen. The shit economy is going to shit because of the RNC branch. Hopefully we get women candidates that are not crazy pedophiles. No more white guys for president unless we vote for them… We as in all of us not some representative assholes that the RNC can just gerrymander to get the votes they need. Stay out of the government and out of our neighborhoods.
The “evil DNC” ran two women. Progressives refused to vote for either. Funnily enough, an old white man did win.
. The RNC branch with all their ballot conspiracy
What ballot conspiracy?
murderous actions
Again, what?
Gramps
I find it amusing when old age suddenly becomes no big deal when we’re talking about Bernie.
The shit economy is going to shit because of the RNC branch.
The economy is shit because of Republicans and their idiotic tariffs. It was growing under Biden, not really sure how this criticism makes sense.
The “evil DNC” ran two women. Progressives refused to vote for either. Funnily enough, an old white man did win.
And yet progressives have hated Biden since always. The constant racism disguised as “gaffes from crazy uncle Joe-- he just doesnt understand that he’s flirting with KKK types” and his authoring civil asset forfeiture to pantomime some tough on crime shtick, and his money stream form AIPAC showed anyone that was paying attention that he was an absolute idiot. Sure some progressives votes for him in 2000 to get rid of trump, but that was because they had little choice in the matter. The “uncommitted” vote in 2024 in the dem primary was all progressives too.
Hillary lost because of the rage around her shanking Bernie in the primary. Kamala lost because she wouldnt disavow her support for genocide and flirting with right wingers to keep progressive voices down. if you want to distill that down to simply them being female and no other reason, I guess good luck with that-- live in whatever fantasy world you need to in order to keep from experiencing any cognitive dissonance. I’m beyond caring about other peoples accusations. This is a “you” problem.
But the RNC can stay, we’re cool with them apparently.
No but nobody is deluded about the RNC being better except maga cult members (don’t take my word for it, look at the polling) and I think we can all agree reaching them is a waste of time vs organizing around creating an actual opposition party.
No but nobody is deluded about the RNC being better
Ok, so discourage people from voting for Democrats, what happens? You support the worse (not by a little by the way, by a TON) option.
creating an actual opposition party.
Just like in 2016 and 2024. We’ll just make sure the government stays in Republican hands until we create out mythical perfect party. We’re so smart.
You have such a tiny worldview, but whatever go on believing that, people like you are becoming an endangered species. Your ideology allows for no change, everything is perfectly fragile and if we make any move to demand better we will certainly shatter it all as far as you are concerned.
Save your breath and get out of the way.
The Democrats faux concerned the air traffic controllers not working and not being paid, to kowtow to the Republicans in the last shutdown. The Dems had its members “break rank” who happened to be politicians, whose election won’t be coming soon or are retiring. The Democrats will pull the same manipulative tactics. They won’t be in this game for so long if they are not that devious.
The Democrats faux concerned the air traffic controllers not working and not being paid
What’s the “faux concern”? Have you given any thought at all to what it would mean if air traffic controllers weren’t working?
You know how Lemmy loves to bring up the trolley problem? Furloughing air traffic controllers for couple of weeks is less bad, than the effects of cutting Medicare to millions, and giving funds to ICE to brutalise America’s own citizens, which are far more consequential and far reaching, and will be felt by an entire society for generations to come.
- Shut down the US government.
- Each state puts forth a new constitution elevating themselves to country status.
- Form a new North American Union (like the EU) with Canada as Daddy
- ???
- Profit
Each state puts forth a new constitution elevating themselves to country status.
I hope my state can successfully wage war against every state to the south of it.
Isnt that like kicking meth addicted people over? seems cruel?
My state is completely surrounded by enemies.
While my theory is based on various sci-fi so should be taken with a mine of salt, my guess is that USA will split into three different countries: NUSA (lol Cyberpunk) which will comprise of the original 13 colony states and the upper North East, The California Republic which will essentially be the West and NW and in good relations with NUSA but with different legislature, and the South which might be called anything from Texas, New Texas, Republic of Texas, or New Louisiana Territory, which will essentially be a war-torn area full of religious extremists not unlike Middle-Eastern areas after the West had their way with them. It will be full of forever wars by religious factions funded by the MIC shareholders of various other countries but in the public face it’ll be covered by the media as religious extremism and/or patriotic fanaticism while ignoring the material reality and history of the situation.
The south could bring slavery and cousin/sister shagging back like they have always wanted. I say let them have their theocracy. We build a wall around the enture south and make it into a reality tv show for the world. and, profit.
When season 45 ends we can then just give whatever rubble is left to cuba to figure out.
In the American Civil War the North had the advantage in Navy, population, wealth, and industrial power.
Now those advantages in population and industrial capacity are flipped. In the scenario you project the south could devolve into infighting and hollow out, but a single charismatic figure could unite them, and that would pose a terrible threat to the NEUSA and the Cali Republic. Have you read Rurtledove’s American Front?
The south would collapse so fast lol what
I have not read that, no. I have heard of the series before though.
Does the South really have those things flipped? Does the South really have more of a population that the East and West coasts combined? More land area sure, but aren’t they currently at the economic mercy of the East and West coasts?
The red states are net takers compared to federal. Taxes paid. In this hypothetical civil conflict all sides are materially worse off but the south would be worst by a margin. Material deprivation by the general populace can end a war, but it doesn’t always.
See Russia in Ukraine for an example.
Where the lines are matters, whether Ohio and Michigan are in the NEUS or the south makes a big difference in population and industry.
It really depends on what type of war this hypothetical civil war would be, and who would be included in each side. North Dakota has nukes, is in the North, but also is very conservative. Opposite scenario for New Mexico
Realistically, a conventional war isn’t possible these days. In digital warfare, tech hubs like NYC, DC, Cali, and Washington become the most important locations
2 would mostly only happen in red states. The rest mostly know how to cooperate.
And you know that California doesn’t need Canada, even less when you consider the rest of the US west coast in with it.
Some states have proven that, without federal intervention, they cannot effectively govern themselves. Texas, for instance…
Texas would last long enough to be dangerous to it’s neighbors. I would not want to be in New Mexico if federal power breaks down.
And Mexico as Madre?
Claudia Sheinbaum is pretty cute. I’m in.
What percent of new countries declare all people with brown skin are slaves?
We really should’ve abolished that.
Probably better to form an analogy to the old European Coal and Steel Community rather than to jump directly into an EU equivalent, also bring Mexico in since without the US being a thing they’ll end up with the largest population on the continent.
I’m not smart politics, but I figured it’d be more complicated than a meme outline.
Prolly. Doesn’t mean I shouldn’t point out viability, fate has a strange way of twisting and if it so decides I would rather have the idea spread than for it to not. Who knows perhaps someone will read my comment and spread it further or be in a position to enact.
Canada doesn’t want to babysit you guys. Seriously, every time a yankee doodle dipshit proposes Canada to take over some US states, it just sounds like immature fuckups who don’t want to take responsibility for yourself and move out of your parent’s basement.
Lmao 🤣
I’m American and nobody is leaving anything here dude, haha. They’re all delusional.
Damn you right you should show us how it’s done then
I could get behind that.
This traitor isn’t coming to save us.
How is he a traitor? We’ll never hold the majority again having to deal with you guys. You just don’t care. “Win” (you won’t) at all costs.
If you don’t feel like your representatives are adequately representing you (God knows I don’t), this is a good time to find a primary candidate to support (monetarily or with your time) - or even file to run yourself. Every house representative is up for reelection in November.
But the Democrats insist that it wasn’t working, so naturally we have to let the fascist murdering Republicans do whatever the fuck they want!
We gave them the presidency and Congress and the Supreme Court, indirectly. The voters, that is.
Shut it the fuck down until the weasels in the GOP actually have their arm twisted to engage with empathy. I’d be personally affected by a shutdown, but it’s a sacrifice I’d make for a long time if it means any kind of progress against the fucking fascist pedophile protectors in office.
No taxation without representation. We know Trump/ Elon / Putin hacked the election. This is NOT the will of the American people. Cut them off of our tax dollars. They want small government so bad, see what they can do without revenue from blue cities/ states.
To do that, we’ll need to split off from the federal banks.
Don’t threaten me with a good time
Everywhere could be better off without a government, not just the US.
No, we don’t live in fantasy land. That could only work on a very small scale and even then, there are political leaders.
Didn’t Schumer already cave? Or did I misread a headline?
IIRC, he’s starting negotiations in the middle and is eager to give up even more.
Man, I wish Democrats were the heartless, scheming, cut-throat, socialist maniacs that I was told they were growing up in a Republican household…
The country would be in much better shape if it were true…
Here’s the thing, they are, possibly even better than republicans, they’re taking the same corporate pro israel bribe money, they just didn’t also align themselves with the insane neo Nazis, Christian terrorists, and loudmouth idiots.
You forgot the part where I said “socialist.” I don’t want them to be heartless and scheming if they’re not doing it for socialist reforms.
You are correct, I did in fact miss that. Shouldn’t be trying to be thoughtful while I’m in bed trying to sleep 😅
And hell yeah, the only reform is socialist reform. It’s unfortunate that the party is almost all corpo Dems, definitely needs more push from the left
Put in simple terms, Republicans are the sword. Democrats are the shield.
Amen
My pet rock can run things better than Trump is doing.
Propaganda from “liberal” media trying to calm you down. Fight.
every country is better off with no government
than the ones they haveIs this post about Obama?
No
