• lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com
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    6 hours ago

    Cool, a clickbait headline engaging in the irrelevance fallacy of poisoning the well over a quote. Quoting someone doesn’t mean supporting everything they ever did. Newsom’s quote was recalling a time when a Republican president would say

    We’re still a nation comprised of good and decent people whose fundamental values of tolerance, compassion, and fair-play guide and direct the decisions of our government.

    in contrast to the current president who’s entirely against such ideas.

    The sensational rhetoric against quoting that is dishonest genetic fallacy.

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      9 hours ago

      Could you explain more clearly what you mean by this? I just scrolled through the thread quickly and only really saw correct criticism of Newsoms neoliberal policies and conservative rhetoric and liberals who don’t want to admit that these attributes are aligned with liberalism. Which ones are the tankies? Am I supposed to be the tankie? Is tankie when you criticize liberals now? Or is this a comment sorting kinda thing?

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        6 hours ago

        neoliberal

        The free-market capitalism variant of right-wing libertarianism? That’s news.

        liberalism

        I don’t think you know the meaning of the word in either the classical sense or modern one.

        Which ones are the tankies?

        Tankies use similar rhetoric about liberalism to reject it from leftism. According to them, leftism rejects liberal philosophy, ie, the idea that individuals have fundamental liberties & the only legitimate authority is the kind that protects such liberties. Leftism that rejects that idea is authoritarian AKA tankie.

        If that’s your philosophy, then you’ve answered your own question.

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    22 hours ago

    Newsom is a neoliberal his policies are literally based on Ronald Reagan’s legacy of screwing the working class

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    23 hours ago

    It really sucks the way they treated AIDS initially. I still know elders who believe it is a divine punishment for gays. So many people died needlessly because of this.

    This doesn’t even scratch the surface of the American genocide known as the war on drugs though. Millions of lives lost and tens of millions of families destroyed. All completely preventable.

    They knew all along the right thing to do, but they had to go after the poor and minorities. It was one of the most disgusting representation of oppression and classism in modern times.

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    1 day ago

    I suspect that Gavin would be Ronald Reagan v2.0, if he reaches the oval office. We should strive to get AOC, Mamdani, or even Mark Kelly in there instead.

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    Whoopsie, just another accidental support of fascism. Surely this time he’ll apologize and not do it again, until his podcast needs more clicks.

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    I don’t like Newsom (and am not from the USA), but the context of this Tweet is very clearly a response to Trump and an attack on his behaviour (especially of late), re: insulting/mocking Rob Reiner’s death. His office/PR has regularly used Ronald Reagan’s quotes (as the former hero of the Republicans) to point out how completely embarrassing and perverse Trump’s presidency is to their former ‘ethics’ and values, and to ignore that context as tacit approval for Reagan is disingenuous.

    This article (from a UK publisher) is really clutching at straws.

    Having said all that, personally I think AOC or Bernie would be 100 times better candidates. Original Tweet below.

    12320

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      Reagan was a devil in humans clothing. Saying he was humanity at all is spitting on the grave of people who died because of his actions.

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        The tweet said “the presidency” not “the president.” It didn’t even say anything about Reagan himself, just repeating what Reagan said about the title and office.

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      The DNC just buried its autopsy report from the 2024 election. Who knows what it said. But maybe Democrats ought to simply stop uplifting Republicans every chance they get. Fuck the outreach. Use other examples. I don’t like this guy at all anymore. He’s a snake.

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      Lol describing the presidency under Reagan as “a reminder of our common humanity” is 1000% praising and whitewashing Reagan, there is nothing “disingenuous” about it whatsoever.

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    2 days ago

    This is barely a fucking article about anything. Don’t fall for this dumb social media garbage bullshit.

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      But it angers the kids, so it’s gospel around here. They’ll be pasting this article in every argument they can manufacture for a least a week or two.

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      Especially since when he was governor, he ordered the army into Berkeley to corral the protesting Boomers, but then when those same Boomers got older and richer, they didn’t want to pay taxes so they embraced him. These same “enlightened educated hippies” have descendants who now make up the tech bros controlling the country and embracing fascism.

      In his last years, he was as demented as Trump, and he killed millions with purposeful inaction on AIDS, much like Trump with COVID.

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        when those same Boomers got older and richer

        Except it was never the same Boomers. Most of the people involved in student demos remained at least progressive many decades afterwards. There were plenty of other boomers who were rightwing idiots and remained so. They were the ones throwing things at me when I was protesting, so I know. And I know what happened to a large number of my politically-minded peer group, and to many of the Young Republicans who hated us.

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    Moving to the right in preparation for a POTUS run. It never works and just plays right into the Ruling Party’s hands.

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      I would argue it does work for attaining the presidency. Because that’s what the oligarchs want to see