kinda like how youtube takes massive cut of ad revenue, which is why they switch to patreon, brand deal and promotions. 30% is pretty steep for small content creators, that isnt peddling right wing grifting.
Timmy Cook is just a bean counter. He’s got nothing to innovate or build. That’s Apple has been buying back shares non stop. Their lead designer jumped ship a while ago. It’s only a matter of time.
Gotta recoup all those fascist donations
Choose another payment method. Choose another platform - web based? - where these fees don’t apply. Hell, buy a throwaway droid phone to keep your money from apple’s greedy hands.
Google imposes the same restriction, if you buy a digital service (such as a Patreon subscription) you need to pay the Google tax.
I don’t know if Patreon got an exemption from Google, but any smaller developer doesn’t for sure.
YT influencers fled to patreon because of google doing the same thing.
Hasn’t this type of thing already been litigated?
Yes it has, but now, all of our consumer protections have been obliterated
What is the intended enforcement mechanism?
Companies whose profits are taken sue Apple for not only lost revenue but also punitive damages.
To follow this logic: if you use an e-banking app, Apple will soon claim to be entitled to 30% of all transactions. Same for paypal, ebay, you name it
Well call it tithe for your digital overlord.
Apple charges 30% when you sell digital goods within an app. That’s not the same as moving money in your bank account or buying something on eBay.
It’s still robbery, but it’s not the same.
When people subscribe, they typically get something digital in return on Patreon.
So 30% tax on buying digital goods on ebay?
Does eBay sell digital goods?
I’d kinda expect the answer to be yes if so if you use the ebay app? If not, I’m actually surprised.
I’m not sure but I’m wondering if a key counts?
Like a digital game key? I’d say yes.
If it’s not a big part of eBay though, I can see that maybe sneaking past as Apple might consider the app as selling physical goods and overlook a small portion of digital?
Makes me think why ever since Photoshop was first created, Apple became the go-to for creatives for decades, and now Apple thinks it wants more money than just the fanatics going after their latest product.
Apple screwed their pro market anyway. Sometime back . The history with apple and creatives relates more to print history I’d guess . Adobe needs to be ditched , and is in some areas. Windows is a shitshow as we know. There are lessening reasons to be wedded to either Mac OS or Windows as they continue to enshittify and I for one welcome it.
Our collective migration to Linux is inevitable
Apple keeps screwing up, just look at the latest hideous update of macOS and its “Liquid Ass” interface
“Walled garden initiates universal tollbooth policy overhaul.”
Yet another reason to never ever use Apple. So if I just use the Patreon website and not an app, do I still have to give Apple 30% of my money? Seems like that should be illegal.
Thats exactly how it works for twitch and other stuff. If you’re on mobile go to the website instead of the app otherwise they take a cut
Many apps either only sell on website or just make it 30% more expensive when paid via app
That is long the caseSame applies for steam games, you can usually get a discount going off game’s webstores compared to buying off steam if it’s an option
People need to stop buying apple products. So many controversies and still people keep buying apple products. Its like people really dont care about ethics , environment and other human beings. Oh wait…
It’s just that there are only a few companies that sell products that apple also sells
Right, the alternatives are sooooooooooo much better. Googles track record is on point , android for the win.
Getting rid of Apple entirely would be like removing Coke from the beverage marketplace. It just allows the competition to worsen and consumer choice to be less.
Apple > Google as a company in every moral category
I like Grapheneos.
I see you’re a gaymer too. Let’s gooo. Defend trillion dollar companies at all costs. Gayme on!!
>=They are both shit.
How does everyone feel about the googs announcing an end to side loading?
https://troypoint.com/google-confirms-android-sideloading-restrictions-for-2026/
Not good.
There have been countless threads on the subject.
https://lemmy.world/post/42124818
https://mander.xyz/post/45953148
https://sh.itjust.works/post/46320374
https://reddthat.com/post/49485312
And so on. Sorry for the non instance-agnostic links.
Is there even a way to link a post so it works on every instance?
Just crank all iOS user payments up by 30%, explain why, and let nature sort itself out.
Apple doesn’t allow this - they expect your price to be the same everywhere or they’ll remove the app from their store or decline version updates. There have historically been a few high profile exceptions privately negotiated, and I think they were forced to relax this in the last year or two, but here they are again trying to claw away money they did literally nothing to earn.
You’re not correct on the “same price” thing. Yes, Apple declined version updates, but it’s because they don’t want apps to tell the user to go to the website, they don’t care about a price match.
Instagram puts way more than 30% on their ads when purchasing through iOS
If you buy 100€ of ad budget, they want you to pay an additional 42.5% apple service fee and additional taxes here in Germany.
If I do it through their ad center suddenly the taxes are already included in the budget so if I pay 100€ I get 100€. So in the end, Meta charges iOS users an additional 70% vs what they usually charge.
Are you purchasing ad space through Meta or Apple in the no fee scenario?
I have an app which reduces the quality of the app for apple users to force them to subscribe more than Android users.
The price is the same, but on android there’s no limit to the number of saves you can keep whereas Apple has a limit of 5 and you need to Subscribe at $30/year to unlock more saves.
Patreon gives creators the option to either increase their prices in the iOS app only, or absorb the fee themselves, keeping prices the same across platforms.
It’s already an option and if you read the article, only 4% are still on the legacy billing system (no Apple tax at all)
iOS users using a browser don’t pay the Apple Tax. And the only reason to pay through the app is if you specifically want to use Apple Pay (e.g to pay with your phone bill instead of your credit card).
At this point it’s a “stupid tax” more than anything.
Small clarification. Apple Pay is not really paying with your phone bill. I think you can but most users just have their credit card or debit card linked.
That’s why I used e.g instead of i.e :) That’s one use case for Apple Pay that you can’t get from the website. Another would be that you don’t share your card details with whoever Patreon’s payment processor is - which might make sense if you trust Apple more than some particular processor
They would all be screaming shut up and take my money.
Terribly need degoogled android to become popular and/or a normal Linux distribution phone to become popular so that normal Linux market share couldn’t be ignored
New Jolla Phone will start shipping in 2026 H1
Is this one fully open source? Or is it still “well open source when we can”?
I don’t know. Are there some parts that have been closed when they should have been open?
If I was on Patreon I’d tell them to pull the app. Fuck em they have a website.
Right? You’d think Patreon would throw their weight against Apple, as this is clearly not in their best interest. Threaten to pull the app, and if Apple follows through, they get nothing. Alternatively, move payments entirely outside of the app and force Apple to either do something which is guaranteed to be extremely unpopular, or call their bluff. But they won’t do these things or even try to negotiate Apple’s cut.
Apple may appear to swing the biggest dick here, but I am so disgusted by these weak companies just immediately bending over without a fight.
As always, it’s the creators who will be faced with hardship, but neither entity seems to give a shit.
Is It better for patreon to lose 30% of income from Apple pay, or to have Apple users not being able to pay unless they open the webpage and pay from there? Is it better for them to remove the app altogether and have users on Apple forced to use it through the website?
I’d imagine they’d lose quite a bit of subscriptions if they did that. Is that more or less than 30% is something I don’t know.
They could go on the offensive with messaging and get subscribers to apply pressure on Apple to keep things the same… Would it work? Probably not, but it might get some of the Apple users onside.
And there goes your engagement.
Apples got them, and Apple knows it.
You can already pay on the website. If you pay through Apple Pay and therefore pay the extra 30%, that’s kinda on you at this point.
Cunt move by Apple, but the in-app purchase payment processing going through apple only rule has been there for a long ass time, Patreon got pretty lucky that they were given so much leeway for so long.
the patreon influencers just need to warn to pay through the website.
I fucking hate mega corps. It’s never fucking enough… Ever… Apple has more money than some countries yet these assholes want ever more…
Tax all these assholes into oblivion!
“Don’t hate the player, hate the game.” – Karl Marx
I reserve the right to hate apple regardless, thank you.
I agree, but don’t let it distract you from how much capitalism sucks balls comrade
