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Surely it has nothing to do with the system that has all of us boxed into nicely manicured corners.
That’s totally the reason for most of the problems. I just refuse to stay in those corners.
And like I said, even if every single person who voted for 3rd party in 2024 voted for Harris, she still would have lost. That’s how big her margin of loss was.
It wasn’t 3rd party voters that destroyed her chances, it was non-voters.
Be mad at them, not me.
So the next step, then, would be to push those candidates into senate / house seats, while protecting the presidency from the candidates who are interested in a fascist takeover
We already do that. And we have 9 candidates running (or actively trying to run) for governor in the 2026 elections.
And I do my part to protect the presidency from bad people, by voting who I want to win. And during the last election it was 3rd party. Proud of my vote then, proud of my vote now.
And I’ll gladly vote 3rd party in future elections too. Harris voters and the non-voters not voting for my candidate are why Trump won.
What you should be doing is pushing hard for your 3rd party of preference to run (and win) elections on the local and state level, not the presidency.
They do. My party has won local elections and state elections and hold office.
There were exactly 2 candidates who had a chance of winning that election.
Dems and Repubs teamed up in 1987 to create the Commission on Presidential Debates. They set strict rules that have excluded virtually every third-party candidate from the national stage ever since.
It’s one of the rare things they publicly agree on: maintaining the two-party lock on the biggest platform in politics.
IMHO, if you vote for Dems, you support that. Harris voters and the non-voters, not voting for my candidate are why Trump won. You know that. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous.
Like I said if the country wasn’t very clearly and decisively divided into 2 parties it would be different.
Because people like you keep repeating it and people get scared and don’t wanna take the chance.
Your opposition party would be absolutely thrilled if you voted 3rd party.
Even if every single person who voted for 3rd party in 2024 voted for Harris, she still would have lost. That’s how big her margin of loss was. Look it up.
It wasn’t 3rd party voters that destroyed her chances, it was non-voters.
As it stands, the more people they can get to throw their votes away instead of voting for someone that actually has a chance of winning (unless it’s their party of course) the happier they’ll be.
Again, because people like you keep saying that and scaring people. Let me piggback on your conspiracy theory: Both major parties actively work to keep third-party candidates from having a real shot.
And one of the clearest examples is how they teamed up in 1987 to create the Commission on Presidential Debates. They set strict rules that have excluded virtually every third-party candidate from the national stage ever since.
It’s one of the rare things they publicly agree on: maintaining the two-party lock on the biggest platform in politics.
Add every time you vote for them, you support them doing that. I refuse.
but you’re not acknowledging that you contributed to that loss by not voting strategically.
Why would I vote “strategically”? I voted for who I wanted to win, as everyone should. And yep, my candidate lost to Trump too. I have never thought, nor said, any different. But I don’t go around blaming everyone else for my candidates loss, yet I see a lot of Democrats do that.
Ya know why your candidate lost? Not enough people voted for her. Know why my candidate lost? Not enough people voted for her.
Let me put it another way, using your logic: Should I blame you for my candidates loss, since you voted for Harris instead of my candidate? Should I say that Trump only won because of people like you not voting for my candidate?
Because that’s exactly what you are trying to do to me.
I didn’t vote for either one and they are both equally bad. Yes, let me say that again so you don’t have to try a “gotcha” moment and try to repeat my words back to me. Yes, they are both equally bad. Yes, I think Harris would have done just as badly. Yes, I think both sides suck and in fact, I think they are practically the same.
The Democratic party lost to Trump, twice. Twice. That’s on you all, not me. Maybe the party should come up with a better candidate this time around.
It’s up the Dem party to inspire people to vote for them. the whole “but, but, but it’s not Trump!” strategy didn’t work. Either time. So are they gonna do better this time? Or are they just gonna write some harshly-worded press releases again?
If the Dem party nominates AOC, I’ll vote for them. If not, I’m voting third party. No amount of “gotcha” or “what if” scenarios that you are thinking of throwing at me will change my mind. You can throw all the hitler-nazi-fascist-emperor-pedo-king-wwIII-civilwar shit at me all you want. I don’t like either party and they both suck.
AOC or third party. Yep, I’m black and white that way. No, you aren’t going to change my mind. And that’s ok.
there were a lot of principled people holding that same belief either abstaining or declining to vote strategically, and now we have Trump.
I guess the Democrats should have a good enough candidate to offset that.
If you were one of those people, thinking you are not in small part responsible for the current administration is refusal to take responsibility for your own actions.
I guess the Democrats should have a good enough candidate to offset that. I proudly voted third party and will do again in upcoming elections unless the Dems choose AOC to run for president.
Never gonna hold my nose to vote. Never gonna vote for “lesser” evil. I vote for who I want to win, regardless of odds. As is my American right.
But if people keep thinking and what you are saying, then it never happens. Trust me, if everyone would suddenly vote for a third party, shit would. The duopoly wants you to keep being afraid to vote for at third party. Which is why I’ll keep voting third party.
Notice how neither side’s elected representatives really seem to give a shit about you?
THIS!!! Yet, Lemmys keep on mistakenly thinking that the Dem’s have their backs. lol
but we all know they won’t do either.
Which is why I’ll keep voting third party. I’m not gonna support a party with no spine.
Yep, and the only way I’ll vote Democrat. If they don’t pick her, then I’ll vote third party again. And Lemmy will be really really mad about it.
Lastly, I’m glad you feel your third-party vote had an impact
Thanks. It had an impact on me, as it’s my right to vote for who I want to win. Without regard of who people are afraid of winning. If the Democrats are really concerned, they can pick better candidates.
because their parents did and they don’t know better and can’t be bothered to read real news?
OR some people just don’t believe the same things you do, and they vote Republican. Welcome to democracy.
Not everyone who votes differently than you is just ignorant and can’t be bothered to read news.
Pushing the fallacy that Republicans/republican voters are ignorant or uninformed, is what made you all lose to Trump. Twice. You lost to Trump 2 different fucking times. Look in a mirror!
I know plenty of republicans who are smart and a force to be reckoned with. I don’t agree with or subscribe to a lot of their views, but I wouldn’t call them ignorant.
Thinking they’re ignorant is what fucked the Dem party in the first place.
Also, before people attack me for being a Trump. Nah, you can attack me for being “BoTh SiDeS” though, because I think both sides suck equally. I’m a third party voter. And very proud of it.
The article is saying a measurable 13–16% slice of Trump voters now shows some regret or would change their vote, roughly double earlier levels and double Harris voters’ regret. The “5%” is the narrowest possible definition. That’s why different people are quoting different numbers from the exact same piece.
From article: “Just to underscore, these surveys suggest between 1 in 8 and 1 in 6 Trump voters express some measure of regret for their 2024 votes. Were those percentages to desert the GOP in the 2026 midterm elections, it would almost undoubtedly be a wave election for Democrats.”
But that’s great news then, right? Nothing to be worried about then, right? No reason for everyone to be mad. In 2 years, Dems win. Right?
I mean, I’ll be voting third party unless Dems choose AOC, but you all should be fine without me. Right? Hmmm…
Well said!
I’m perfectly fine with the ridicule, because I was right. And I totally accept the consequences of my actions, because I was right.
And this discussion started out by me saying that you all censored opinions and tried to control the narrative on here back in 2024.
How’d that work out for ya? Differing opinions on Lemmy got deleted. I saw people who criticized the two-party system got banned and accused of being russian agents.
All because Lemmy was scared of losing the election, at the time. Your whole “oh, it was a different time then though” reasoning sounds very very familiar to what other people of a certain mindset think. Hmmm…
I saw some good independent thinkers be shoo’d off of Lemmy. I saw false accusations and witch hunts happening.
And what did that censorship accomplish? What did trying to silence people accomplish?
NOTHING. You all lost to Trump. For a second time! By a margin so large, that even if all of the third-party voters had voted for Harris, she still would have lost.
I proudly voted third party, and I’ll proudly vote third party again. I will never hold my nose to vote or vote or the “lesser evil.” I’ll vote for who I want to win. Like I always have. And I always will.
I’m very proud of myself and the people who stood against the hate on here. :)
In case ya don’t quite get it: “Democratic National Committee officials who crafted the party’s postmortem on its loss to President Donald Trump in the 2024 election reportedly determined that the Biden administration’s support for Israel’s genocidal assault on Gaza cost Kamala Harris votes, contributing to her defeat.”
I’m standing with ya, brother! Thank you!
Many Dems on Lemmy would rather just label you as ‘propaganda’, than admit that you are right. lol
You’re right, tho!
Exactly why I will never reward them with my vote. Unless they pic AOC, cuz I like her.