• Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
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        6 days ago

        He literally gave the republicans what they wanted in exchange for a vote that would make zero material difference in the lives of his constituents.

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          4 days ago

          He is the leader, but couldn’t or wouldn’t whip his party to hold the line, and defended the perfidious weasels who caved.

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            3 days ago

            defended the perfidious weasels who caved.

            Another fucking lie from the “virtuous far left”. He criticized their votes.

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          6 days ago

          What the fuck are you talking about? NO HE DID NOT. He was NOT one of the Democrats who voted to end the shut down.

          You know being progressive isn’t an excuse to be downright dishonest, right?

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            6 days ago

            OK, if he didn’t approve of their votes, what has he done to punish the democrats who did? Nothing at all? Weird.

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              Ok do you’ve abandoned your original premise, proving you’re a lying sack of shit.

              On the your next point, Schumer isn’t a fucking school principal dumbass, how is he going to “punish” them? What the fuck do you think a minority/majority leader does exactly?

              Fake fucking progressives gloating about sinking Democrats and letting Trump run wild.

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                3 days ago

                My premise is that he was responsible for the party he leads caving, hence why the ones who actually voted weren’t punished.

                He can punish them be taking them off committee assignments. The most basic function of a political party is to be able to negotiate as a bloc.

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        7 days ago

        please, there are two options here, neither is good for Schumer. Either, he’s ineffectual party leader (whether by not knowing or not having control)… OR he orchestrated it to maintain “plausible” deniability.

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          6 days ago

          I strongly suspect we have a significant number of Dino sleepers in Congress. Either outright sleepers or close enough to simply be purchasable or blackmailable.

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            6 days ago

            I strongly suggest you’re an idiot that chooses to believe things without proof because it “feels right”. The EXACT same logic as Trumpers.

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          So you want a “party leader” to literally control all other politicians in their party? That’s representative democracy to you? What “control” is he supposed to have?

          What a stupid fucking argument. He doesn’t have a goddamn mind control device and Senators are individuals that make their own decisions.

          Just admit the truth. You criticize Schumer BY DEFAULT no matter what he does. That’s what this boils down to. He did exactly what you said you wanted him to do and now you’re moving the goalposts. You are literally incapable of admitting that he did something you agree with.

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            Yeah what a coincidence that all the representatives that broke the shutdown weren’t up for re-election next time. Very convenient! I’m sure there was zero coordination to decide who would break rank.

            But even if there wasn’t any of that, Chuck still bears responsibility for the failure of the shutdown even if you don’t want to admit it.

            Chuck led the shutdown. For better or for worse, it failed to accomplish its goal. Ultimately more responsibility falls on him as minority leader than anyone else. It’s not insane to want someone who coordinates a major gambit like a government shutdown to be capable of keeping the other representatives from breaking rank to accomplish the goal of the shutdown. Coordinating votes is literally a huge part of the job as majority or minority leader. It’s disingenuous to say expecting a party leader in the house to line up votes is contrary to representative democracy.

            Just admit the truth, you’ll suck Chuck off no matter what he does. You’re literally incapable of not sucking his dick

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        7 days ago

        Word on the hill was he was trying to get people to vote for it, but didn’t want to put his name on it after all the backlash last time. No way to confirm this tho

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          Look at the people who voted to end the shutdown: no one who’s up for re-election this next cycle.

          Either Schumer is one hell of a terrible leader, or there was a very obvious attempt at co-ordinating the vote to take advantage of voters’ (lack of) long term memory.

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            6 of the 8 are due in 2028, just a bit more than two years away. Senators serve a 6 year term. Voters would have to support a primary challenge, possible but difficult. It would have to be based entirely on their decision to fund the stopgap, which would be tough as they can give their reasoning as to how they thought they were helping constituents. Given the power of incumbency, I have serious doubt many of them were worried about being voted out a year later. You’re right about the memory of the voters, it is short and 12 months is a long time.

            Schumer being a “leader” doesn’t mean he controls other Senators. That’s just not how it works. Senators are accountable to their constituency, not the informal leader of their party. These Senators did not consult with Schumer because they DIDN’T HAVE TO. They are federally elected Senators and can think and act according to their own logic.

            In fact, demanding this kind of conformity or slavish adherence to a single leader is something you’d likely criticize if you saw it happening on the other side of the aisle.

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    It must be frustrating to be caught between two parties, of which one is straight up evil, and the other is just spineless and craven, while both are corrupt. Honestly, y’all should just break it all down and start all over again. Your democracy is broken.

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    And there it is. The promised ‘vote on subsidies in december’ that the 6 dems cancelled the shutdown for. We all new what the outcome would be.

    I feel for all those whose insurance premium is about to become unaffordable

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      I feel for all those whose insurance premium is about to become unaffordable

      Idk. I’ve been told a bunch of them are Republicans and therefore they deserve to suffer.

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        Pretty sure that’s just a dishonest attempt to DARVO the people who acknowledge that republican voters don’t care about anything until it harms them directly.