• Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
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      5 days ago

      I still think lots of the “trump voters” were actually “man voters”.

      Trump beat Hillary. A woman.

      Trump lost to Biden. A man.

      Trump beat Kamala. A woman.

      I’m still of the belief that 2024, Biden beats Trump.

      • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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        Kamala brought on a lot of the exact same staffers who helped Hillary lose and ran a similar and bad campaign. Female democratic senators won in three of the swing states that Kamala lost.

        But it isn’t really about the facts, at a certain point. It’s just a symbolic belief that allows people to absolve Kamala and the democrats of all fault. People love to punch down at voters instead of punching up and demanding better candidates, even though that’s a complete inversion of how democracy is meant to work. This inability to self-criticize and change things that don’t work is, ironically, another reason that the democrats perform poorly.

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        I see how you would think that. But, I think you’re delusional about 2024. If Biden didn’t decide to run again and there was a real primary, the democrats would have had a real chance. The problem was that both Hillary and Kamala were basically appointed as the candidates by the party.

      • Zak@lemmy.world
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        I’m still of the belief that 2024, Biden beats Trump.

        I don’t think so. In each case, there was significant dissatisfaction with the losing candidate prior to the election.

        • In 2016, it was because people saw the DNC as having subverted the democratic process to give the nomination to Clinton when Sanders might have won in a fair race.
        • In 2020, pick any of Trump’s many faults, or the various impacts of the pandemic. He was terribly unpopular and would have lost to any mainstream candidate.
        • In 2024, it was mostly economic concerns, for which many blamed Biden. Harris positioned herself as a continuation of Biden when Biden was terribly unpopular.