Plenty of New Yorkers who voted for Zohran Mamdani in last month’s City Hall election previously backed Donald Trump at the ballot box, despite their obvious political differences, new data reveals
    • MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com
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      5 days ago

      Not a you specific thing, but I hate when people cite these stats as though they’re significant, but in reality they are pretty standard for the past decade at least. I know people mostly do it because the media highlights them without comparable information or context and it just sticks in people’s heads. Plenty of people think things must be meaningful or significant just because there’s a headline, but this is not a new phenomenon.

      Data shows that in 2016, these [Obama] voters comprised roughly 13% of Trump voters. In 2012, this segment of voters made up 9% of total Obama voters.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama–Trump_voters

      I agree that one of the themes is dissatisfaction though.

    • flamiera@kbin.melroy.org
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      5 days ago

      God that was the most frustrating and infuriating campaigns to witness in real-time, falling apart.

      Here we finally had a man, that was for the people, in what feels like several generations. And the DNC was actively trying to ruin his momentum, because they wanted Clinton so bad.

      And a large number of people were brainwashed into demonizing everything Bernie was proposing. Like when they thought he was going to give everybody free internet, when what he really meant was giving us more opportunity of a free market of internet.

      Then annoying activists from BLM were stealing podiums from him just to scream about a cause they were dismantling themselves because at that point they were becoming unhinged over everything.

      It was just nauseating to have witnessed in everything that happened in 2016 that time. So of course he lost, of course Clinton got the nod and of course that bitch lost. Probably the only time I felt that the American people deserved Trump for all of that.

      • A_norny_mousse@feddit.org
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        5 days ago

        Like when they thought he was going to give everybody free internet, when what he really meant was giving us more opportunity of a free market of internet.

        Same familiar rhetoric: “It’s literally Socialism!!!”

        • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip
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          5 days ago

          One of the big (and actually valid) concerns about socialism is “the government giveth, the government taketh away”.

          Socialism is a great goal but I think this year kinda taught us that we are much further away from realizing that goal than we thought we are, if a dude like trump can come in with the trifecta and rip it all to shreds overnight, like a bully to a 5th grade diorama.

            • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip
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              4 days ago

              Nah, capitalism is clearly broken, and I agree that socialism is the most appealing -ism.

              But a key requirement to socialism is a strong and stable central government. And we…don’t have that. Instead we have consolidated power in the executive and a judicial branch which is clearly bought and paid for.

              We need to replace the roof before we think about putting in a pool.

              We’ve outgrown our entire system of government…or managed to shape it into something that clearly does not match the will of the people.

              We need to rewrite it with more fail-safes and circut-breakers for corruption. Social programs need to be uncuttable. Then, socialism has a fighting chance. It can be done, but not easily or willingly.

  • Phegan@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    AOC talks a lot about how there is also a non-zero overlap between people who voted for her and trump in 2024.

    I think a large part of it is that people are sick of the status quo. Trump, Mamdani and AOC all speak out against the status quo. The problem is trump is a lying, fascist, racist, pedo. It says though, the best way to peel voters from the right isn’t to court Liz Cheney, it’s to provide legitimate solutions to peoples problems and push back against the status quo.

    • madcaesar@lemmy.world
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      5 days ago

      Trump tells you all your problems are caused by the browns and trans.

      Democrats yell you, there are no problems.

      People are idiots, but they are struggling idiots, and telling them everything is fine isn’t a winning strategy.

      It’s simplified, but at its core, that’s is the crux of the problem.

      • cloudskater@pawb.socialEnglish
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        4 days ago

        Democrats tell you, there are no problems.

        Holy shit I actually hit my desk when I read this. I’ve been trying to put into words why “centrism” and “both sides” bullshit is just conservatism and why liberals stand for nothing. I have been trying for years now and then you come along and just: “Democrats tell you there are no problems” YES. That is what I’ve been trying to tell people for fucking years!! I’m not the problem for being concerned for the world, stop giving me that look when all I’m doing is pointing out that the problem exists and you should care about it as much as I do. Don’t tell me I live in a fake reality because the things I want done are somehow impossible when we know what many of the world’s issues are and how to solve them. It’s power structures controlled by the rich that stand between us and a better world, and it’s not my fault if you can’t realize that! Son of a bitch, I need to calm tf down.

        So thank you for that.

    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
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      5 days ago

      I still think lots of the “trump voters” were actually “man voters”.

      Trump beat Hillary. A woman.

      Trump lost to Biden. A man.

      Trump beat Kamala. A woman.

      I’m still of the belief that 2024, Biden beats Trump.

      • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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        5 days ago

        Kamala brought on a lot of the exact same staffers who helped Hillary lose and ran a similar and bad campaign. Female democratic senators won in three of the swing states that Kamala lost.

        But it isn’t really about the facts, at a certain point. It’s just a symbolic belief that allows people to absolve Kamala and the democrats of all fault. People love to punch down at voters instead of punching up and demanding better candidates, even though that’s a complete inversion of how democracy is meant to work. This inability to self-criticize and change things that don’t work is, ironically, another reason that the democrats perform poorly.

      • FlexibleToast@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        5 days ago

        I see how you would think that. But, I think you’re delusional about 2024. If Biden didn’t decide to run again and there was a real primary, the democrats would have had a real chance. The problem was that both Hillary and Kamala were basically appointed as the candidates by the party.

      • Zak@lemmy.world
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        5 days ago

        I’m still of the belief that 2024, Biden beats Trump.

        I don’t think so. In each case, there was significant dissatisfaction with the losing candidate prior to the election.

        • In 2016, it was because people saw the DNC as having subverted the democratic process to give the nomination to Clinton when Sanders might have won in a fair race.
        • In 2020, pick any of Trump’s many faults, or the various impacts of the pandemic. He was terribly unpopular and would have lost to any mainstream candidate.
        • In 2024, it was mostly economic concerns, for which many blamed Biden. Harris positioned herself as a continuation of Biden when Biden was terribly unpopular.