• Velma@lemmy.today
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    2 days ago

    So the tankies were clueless and loud enough to turn a large chunk of voters away, but also the Dems most definitely fumbled the entire election?

    Which is it?

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      2 days ago

      I just think it’s funny how in their version of reality “tankies”, a group with zero political representation in America, have any kind of sway over moderate voters.

      It’s truly QAnon levels of delusional.

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        16 hours ago

        A lot of people on many sides are terminally online. If you ask the median voting-age US citizen why they didn’t vote, the only answer they can give is “I just don’t really care ¯\_(ツ)_/¯”

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          14 hours ago

          I choose to read that as “neither party speaks to my situation” rather than the indifference being an accident. There are a lot of reasons to care with how politics affect, well, everything, but that doesn’t mean parties are involving the masses. No, they’re actually doing an excellent job alienating them.

          And that’s just the non-voters. The only reason people even vote is to make things less shitty, not because they feel particularly moved by either party, which proves how alienation affects even committed voters.

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          2 days ago

          Let’s actually talk through this instead of jumping to accusing me of being fascist. Because I’m betting we agree on more than you think, I just hate the dismissal of the complex factors that caused the shitstorm that got Trump elected again.

          Democrats are complicit in enabling genocide in Palestine. Full stop. We should not support Israel, and the fact that that’s the default position even in the supposed “moderate” party is an utter disgrace.

          That said, it’s possible for more than one genocide to happen at once, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that that’s worse than one genocide abetted politicians that are at least more prone to influence from the electorate than the default Republican position of “fuck you if you disagree with us, we’ll kill you, too.” Now we have open and direct threats of genocide from our own state against Iran, not to mention the trans genocide happening at home.

          The “strong and weak” argument does apply to the same people who claim that the Democrats shouldn’t have lost but also deserve to lose for enabling Israel. The fact of the matter is it took both for the world’s most prolific child rapist to become president. The Democrats had to fumble the bag in the most depraved way possible, and that was openly and actively exploited by foreign actors to confuse voters at home into thinking there was no point in voting. There was, and we’re learning that the hard way now.