• SippyCup@lemmy.world
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    18 hours ago

    “I bet you won’t vote for a woman!”

    … Ok… Do you have any policy positions we should know about?

    “You wouldn’t vote for THAT guy over a woman would you?!”

    Please … We literally just want healthc-

    “LOOK, REPUBLICANS THAT DON’T LIKE HIM!”

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      14 hours ago

      As bad as it is, that really should have been enough. But too many idiot Americans failed to effectively vote against Trump; so they are responsible for him. You can cry that she didn’t motivate people, or her platform wasn’t perfect or even that her laugh was annoying. But whatever. You didn’t stop Trump, that’s on you.

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        6 hours ago

        I mean, I voted for her knowing she was going to lose if that helps you at all. Same for Clinton actually, who ran on an identical platform and lost to the same fucking guy.

        It’s on the Democrats. for absolutely refusing to run on policy. Twice.

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        13 hours ago

        On a scale of 1 to 5, with 1 being “not perfect” and 5 being “What the fuck are they thinking. They don’t even pretend to represent us, this is just vile.”, where do you rank helping a foreign apartheid state commit genocide?

        The criticism isn’t about her motivating people. She deserves to be villafied. Her “platform” was disgusting. Stop scapegoating just because the newsletter tells you to.

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          4 hours ago

          Not sure what newsletters you get, but please stop trying to project your narrow-mindedness on me.
          I would love it if the Dems were to run someone who was actually progressive and took a strong stance against violence. But the billionaire class owns the politicians and the media, so it’s literally impossible to go there too fast without a revolution. Too many Americans would be taken in by any media play to villainize a ‘communist’ candidate. Heck, the reason you hate Harris is partly from the efforts of the right wing media to sow division in the democrats so as to get their tax/regulation reducing guy in power. So we end up with a dem candidate who will still keep the billionaires happy. But it’s a simple fact of which viable candidate was better/worse. If you can’t see that Harris would have been better than trump by a lot, then you’re being willfully ignorant. And there’s a whole timeline issue with calling Harris a genocide supporter. At the time of the last election, Isreal was still arguably fighting Hamas who was still firing rockets daily at Israeli civilians after starting the latest escalation in the October attacks. Of course Isreal was committing human rights violations back then, as they have been for decades, but it wasn’t genocide by any reasonable definition at that point. Who knows how Harris would have reacted to the increased brutality and clearly unnecessary violence by Isreal? Probably Isreal wouldn’t have gone so far because of some pushback from a Harris administration. But there’s no way it would be as bad as under Trump, with Isreal basically directing the U.S. military and trump encouraging the complete destruction of Gaza and now Lebanon. So the failure to vote for Harris in the simple choice of her or Trump, is a direct cause of the worst violence against the Palestinians in a long time. Not to mention just about every other issue that failing to reject trump has damaged, from abortion rights, gay/trans rights, brutality against non-citizens, brutality against peaceful protestors, removal of environment protections, removal of healthcare funding, funding for science, funding for education/libraries, relations with international allies, dramatic cost of living increases, etc. All that for some moronic inability to choose the not-as-bad candidate. We need to do better. And if we actually get an election, we need to stop splitting hairs and dividing the left and get back some power so we can then push to clean things up. It’s either that or full blown revolution, but we know Americans don’t have the ability to do that for various excuses.

          • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
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            3 hours ago

            They were still doing a genocide under joe biden. She did nothing to distance herself from the admin and the only people to blame for her loss are herself and her enablers.