Intensive care nurses immediately doubted the word of federal immigration officers when they arrived at a Minneapolis hospital with a Mexican immigrant who had broken bones in his face and skull.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents initially claimed Alberto Castañeda Mondragón had tried to flee while handcuffed and “purposefully ran headfirst into a brick wall,” according to court documents filed by a lawyer seeking his release.
But staff members at Hennepin County Medical Center determined that could not possibly account for the fractures and bleeding throughout the 31-year-old’s brain, said three nurses familiar with the case.
Reddit is actively blocking this kind of talk fuck that nazi site
Look i just left reddit because I’m deeply unhappy with their bullshit moderation / AI system (banning people for criticising MAGA morons) but dude this is not being deleted
/r/TwinCities
https://www.reddit.com/r/TwinCities/s/JmNTgnMmkL
And in /r/politics
Yeah some stories like this breakthrough but there’s tons of other related stories they push down or ban anyone talking about it. look at the politics thread and see how many people said they got a 3 day ban for simplely criticizing what’s going on.
AP shared the details of Castañeda Mondragón’s injuries with Dr. Lindsey C. Thomas, a board-certified forensic pathologist who worked as a medical examiner in Minnesota for more than 30 years. She agreed with the assessment of hospital staff.
“I am pretty sure a person could not get these kinds of extensive injuries from running into a wall,” Thomas said, adding that she would need to see the CT scans to make a more definitive finding.
“I almost think one doesn’t have to be a physician to conclude that a person can’t get skull fractures on both the right and left sides of their head and from front to back by running themselves into a wall,” she said.
So was the ICE agent dumb enough to think this was a believable story or did they just not give a fuck if anyone believed it or not? It could really go either way.
The nurses interviewed by AP said they felt intimidated by ICE’s presence in the critical care unit and had even been told to avoid a certain bathroom to minimize encounters with officers. They said staff members are using an encrypted messaging app to compare notes and share information out of fear that the government might be monitoring their communications.
Welcome to Trump’s AmeriKKKa.
or did they just not give a fuck if anyone believed it or not?
We have literal footage from multiple angles of ICE agents murdering people and the government is protecting them. The agents don’t give a fuck. They’ve been given permission to kill anyone they want and nothing will happen.
With the blue State officials declining to press charges and therefore aceding the 10th amendment. The cunts. I fucking told you.
Er, source? Last I knew the state was being actively prevented from investigating. And charging someone without having done any investigation is a great way to get them double jeopardy instead of held accountable.
Multiple videos providing indisputable evidence is enough to charge open murder. There is no doubt, federal agents do not have the authority to summarily execute citizens under false pretense, even if they justify it by assassinating their character and telling bold faced lies about their victim to justify it, a well worn tactic of our president and his ilk now being adopted moreso by all of our leaders up in every sector of society.
There is nothing to investigate. No reasonable person in good faith could on a presentation of the facts and evidence available to the public from day one, could say these weren’t murder, and in Ms Good’s case, rather premeditated at that. Perhaps 1st degree with Mr. Pretti as well.
Obviously it’s a well worn tactic to kill a state prosecution by doing a federal one and getting the state to defer to them, or getting a court to give it to the feds. That is how Epstein got let off with a solicitation of prostitution with house arrest after the Miami Herarld doggedly pulled the threads of raped victims leading to a fabric of international perversions to blackmail the powerful for Israeli intelligence, surely in league with the cia as they did nothing to stop it despite stopping that being their raison de etre.
That doesn’t excuse the State from doing their goddamned duty and covering their own citizens with the Shield of American Law! It’s also not certain the feds would be able to pre-empt any investigation, or make it double jeopardy. Mangione is facing federal and state charges stemming from the alleged introduction to justice to a mass murderer with one of the highest body counts in the country. Although it goes without saying he’s innocent, they needed a patsy so it didn’t look like someone got away with it, as the photos from the scene of the perpetrator do not match the photos of mangione. If the eyebrows don’t fit, you must acquit. All the “evidence,” is bullshit, a gun consistent with firing a 9 mm is a laughable statement insulting our intelligence, there are more of those in this country than people in the demographic group of the perpetrator. Having written something critical of health insurance during a period of increasing plutocratic tightening of control? They have nothing of substance, other than what they will manufacture and manufacture they will because they are the tools of a plutocracy seeking to kill liberal democracy in all but name and install a one party state, thinking they will still be able to control it.
But I digress. There was enough evidence to charge from day 1. It’s not only possible to charge legally and morally, it’s their duty. Under the precedent set here, a federal agent could accost the governor, then execute them, without charge, and claim that governor was the perpetrator, even if it was on video otherwise. Do you not see that? Do you not see the 10th amendment also refutes the federals ad hoc claim that now the feds are untouchable imperial owners of the states? As if we are theirs, not them ours. States rights has a bad name because of it’s association with slavery and the republicans that have for centuries used it to justify the unjustifiable.
But it’s true nonetheless that the federal government has taken more and more power and now is openly seeking to become the supreme leader of the country regardless of voters, branches of government, checks and balances, and the fact that all powers not specifically delegated to the feds, which amount only to regulating interstate commerce while being expressly forbidden from enacting barriers to trade and movement of people between the states in almost all areas; to handling foreign affairs; to provide for the common defense internationally; ect. While expressely being forbidden from abuses common under the king in the bill of rights.
But giving up makes it worse, we won’t surrender our rights, our country, our freedoms, to the worst people in the world without a fight. We won’t forever let weak, often criminally corrupt (and therefore blackmailable,) corporatist plutocrat tools play good cop to Republican bad cop, even as the Republicans have openly started playing Hitler. If the local prosecutors are too weak and bereft of courage to shield their own citizens from summary execution under false pretense with indisputable video evidence, then they must be replaced. And indeed we need all new leadership.
All that text, and you didn’t stop to think about how they would charge someone without being able to confirm 100% who it was that fired the shot?
They identified all the shooters. The two from alex pretti were two dudes with hispanic names, I think the NYTimes just identified them, first worthwhile thing they’ve done this term as far as I know. Ms Good’s murderer/assassin was identified long back.
The fact you come out with that as a response doesn’t speak well to your understanding.
Nah it just means you rambled to the point that I didn’t want to bother reading a wall of text. Instead of stating a clear point you wrote a novel that spanned the galaxy with how varied it was.
So was the ICE agent dumb enough to think this was a believable story
It is probably the same story he gives when his wife/gf ends up in the ER for similar injuries.
He is both dumb enough, and he doesn’t give a fuck. Both can be true.
Sir, this is the United States of America.
No notes, other than this is not amerikkka more than it has been. This is nazi.
So attempted murder? Or did he die and it was just regular murder?
Edit. Seems this incident happened Jan 8. Where’s the outrage? Do people just not give half a shit unless the victim is white?
Race is probably a component, but a big one is video of the incident getting to the public. Watching an unambiguous violation instead of reading an account is far more powerful, and removes all doubt of witness reliability.
HIPAA laws would have prevented hospital personnel from speaking publicly about this, and of course ICE was hushing it up, seems like his friends broke the story after he was out.
HIPAA prevents the discussion of personally identifying information and access to information that doesn’t have to do with your job. The nurses and doctors that treated this person could have absolutely confirmed that ICE brought somebody in with a crushed skull as long as they left it at that.
I don’t know the exact wording, but I don’t think so. Sure, you can share information if it’s anonymized, but that isn’t. There was only one person brought in by ICE I assume. It isn’t anonymous. It’d be incredibly easy to tie it to a single person.
Can we stop with the ragebait? The incredibly, over the top obvious difference in outrage between cases is whether it’s on video or not. Why the fuck do people keep pushing this angle? Why are you pretending like video evidence doesn’t matter? It’s fucking weird, at best.
I’m pretty convinced that Lemmy’s politics board is thoroughly compromised. Constant deluge of posters intent on spreading a sense of doom and fear.
I tag them and never see them again.
I’m starting to think this also. Literally every day I see some dipshit claiming that no one cared about ICE until it was a white person (they say that about both of the recent cases). Literally have never gotten one response (from the person claiming it’s only a race thing) to my replies saying it’s because these killings were on video. It’s fucking bizarre.
I tag them
Do you mean you block them or is there actually some way to tag users that I don’t know about?
Lemmy connect app lets you tag users. Super useful.
I usually tag belligerent people, and block them if I see them do it again
There was no clear video like the other incident. Get out of here with that race baiting bullshit. Straight out of the opposition play book - attempt to divide.
Is everyone who says “people only care because they are white” forget about George Floyd? Pretty sure there were very large, nationwide protests for that.
No they didn’t forget. They’re lying intentionally would be my guess. Anyone old enough to comment on politics right now ought to remember George Floyd.
Oh yeah. And then some. Back around the beginning of the month I got into it with someone here who was trying to play like they live in Minneapolis and know all about the city while they were putting out similar ragebait, except they had no idea, literally none, where George Floyd was killed. Oh, and the “American” genius who was holding forth on all the things the US Constitution says that are not actually in there while having multiple English lapses. That was some shit.
I should add that when I see this, I never offer the specific correction because I want other pretenders like them to fall into the same trap. So I pick around it to let them flounder in their obvious errors because I know anyone paying attention will see it for themselves, and I’d suggest that to others as well: point it out without actually correcting it. Highlight it, quote it, ask about it and all around it, but don’t call it wrong and don’t correct it, so that they can’t use your input to better their game.
To be clear, if someone’s not American and you have a bone to pick with the US, so what. Join the club.
But if you’re pretending to be American, actively lying about where you are so you can try to manipulate, discourage and get people to give up, then you can fuck yourself sideways with a rusty chainsaw and I absolutely will jam a stick in your spokes when I see it.
EDITED to clarify
That’s exactly right. The outrage in Minnesota started when they killed a white man. There was an earlier incident where a minority was killed at a traffic stop and it wasn’t in the news cycle longer than a day: https://chicago.suntimes.com/the-watchdogs/2025/11/17/silverio-villegas-gonzalez-ice-dhs-trump-midway-blitz-shooting-homicide-franklin-park-chicago
It’s not on video. You do know that’s the real reason for the outrage. This is not a question.
You mean to tell me US could kill a lot of innocent people, but because they’re no video at that exact time, everyone’s fine with it?
checks US history and invasions without consequences
Yeah, of course.
Didn’t the current set of protests start with the murder of Réné Good?
Shh, don’t interrupt them giving the right fuel when they accuse us of calling everything racist. It’s totally an awesome thing of this user to do because we all know that video evidence and facts don’t matter at all.
Mother fuckers, most of you fucks were ready to put all of Palestinians under the bus because they’re brown and not in sight to save yourself.
We see right through your racist dog whistles. Facts have never matter to you and never have people, until it directly affects you.
History is witness. Your country has always been a shame on humanity.
Yeah this comment illustrates my point perfectly. You’re a fraud. Peddle this bullshit on Twitter or Facebook.
Fuck America man
I think the giving the shit is when white males die.
Minorities get the Three-fifths Give a Shit Compromise. White females sometimes get a bonus point 1/5th.
Unfortunately Rene Good was not heterosexual, and forfitited her bonus point.
I really want a reply from you. Explain why it somehow doesn’t matter that the killings drawing the most ire are on video. Explain it you coward.
I mean the difference between outrage and no outrage being a video when both faced similar fate is telling, isn’t it?
Is that how your outrage operates? I mean I’ve seem news report from other countries that a news of murders lead to burning of police building in the other part of the country without any video.
But it’s racist to call people who elected a racist as their president only getting alarmed when they’re affected.
Get out with your bullshit rhetoric claiming this is some artificial manipulation.
Go back and read some of your own racist history. It isn’t very much different.
Goddamn you’re weird. Ever met a human? Absolutely human nature to be more impacted by something you see. Not complicated. I love when people are so obsessed with racism that the undeniable racism we see everywhere isn’t enough. Got invent some more.
Usually the case. No one is pissed about all the Native Americans being disappeared by ICE.
Except it made headlines and drew outrage and I believe said outrage got them all (or at least most of them) released.
But sure, let’s focus all our efforts on making an objectively racist regime seem somehow equivalent to the public opposition because yes clearly everything we do is evidence we are just as racist as ICE. /s
IIRC there was a man that was strangled to death in custody, but people stopped talking about it once it came out he was a sex offender.
Even Renee’s death lost attention when it came out she was gay.
We have a problem in this country with empathy, and who we extend basic human rights to.
We’re experiencing large scale human rights violations every day but people look the other way.
Even Renee’s death lost attention when it came out she was gay.
We are still talking about it a lot every day… Also, I’m not quite sure how you’d gauge a difference there. We knew she was gay like an hour into the coverage.
It didn’t come out Renee was gay.
It did. I saw early on that it was her wife there at the scene of the murder.
It didn’t cause any loss of attention. The person you’re responding to is a liar.
No it didn’t come out, because it was established from the very beginning. Her wife was on video talking. She ran over after the crash. It was always very clear 100% of the time. It didn’t come out, because it was standing there waving its hands wildly the whole time.
I see what you’re saying now.
I guess it depends where you are and how you read the news. From outside the USA I saw a lot of details about the murder, and the backlash, before reading that her wife was in the car at the time. It probably took a couple of days?
“Her wife” was included in news reports within about an hour. Didn’t seem like any sort of delay to me.
Exactly. It never came out because it was never not out. She was right there on video in all of them.
Fair enough. I guess I mostly saw breaking reports which were fairly scant on personal details followed by opinion pieces which focused more on the “usa slides further into fascism” angle.
I recall the first reports talking about her dead husband and acting like her kid was an orphan.
I recall the tone changing in how people talked about her in various threads and articles depending on how prevalent her being gay was.
Maybe we saw those reports within an hour, but I recall people still responding to the straight-washed articles the next day.
I’m not going to say her sexuality hasn’t changed the responses by some, it absolutely has. But its not like it was somehow held back.
That said, there are people saying things like “Pretti shouldn’t have reached for his gun” - a statement that is absolutely insane considering he not only never reached for his gun, but was also disarmed when he was murdered.
Thats an issue with ignorance, not with reporting. The information is readily available, some just grab that first headline and never bother to learn more.
I noticed no change like this at all. We’ve had nationwide protests for Renee Good.
Nope. It took 3.5 seconds. “Who’s that person in the white hat?” “Oh, that’s apparently her wife!” “Oh God, how fucking heartbreaking.”
That is why there was no “coming out”.
Fair enough. It took a day or two before I heard anything much more about her than that she was someone that the US government had just executed in the street.
Also, no media made a big deal of the fact she was gay, because we don’t care about anything like that in the UK, unless of course she’d been trans in which case she’d have been hung out to dry.
Doubt of anything ICE and DOJ says should be the default starting position.
They have shown themselves to constantly lie about all kinds of things and never apologize for any of their lies. They are simply not credible.
As always, me to DHS:

Shouldn’t the agents who brought him in be treated as suspects in an attempted murder case? They should be detained and questioned and charged with obstruction of justice if they don’t comply. That’s what would happen to literally anyone not wearing that uniform who walks into a hospital with a person with life-threatening injuries that appear to be inflicted maliciously.
In a fair and just world, yes
a fair and just world
Fantasy today, reality tomorrow. Like some science fiction. An ideal.
This sounds like an explanation the Russian government would give. Looks like those dumb assholes in the I’d rather be Russian than a Democrat shirts got their fucking way.
Immediately doubting the word of ICE goons is a solid strategy, no matter the circumstances.
ICE could tell me fire was hot and I wouldn’t believe them.
These people are too stupid and distrusting of science to understand that medicine and forensics can very much know atleast some of what didn’t happen and did happen based on the injuries sustained and know that you’re lying, and what you likely did to the person.
They just don’t care. They know the administration is going to back them, so they say anything that isn’t totally self-incriminating. I expect they’ll eventually stop caring about that too.
If they didn’t care they wouldn’t bother with an excuse to begin with.
“His head just did that” yeah sure ok
Yeah right, and Alex Pretti just fell onto those bullets…
And ms good was trying to run down agents. /s
Copaganda: we will use science to figure out what happened during this crime.
Reality: I get to say what happened. Fuck you if you dont like it! What are you gonna do about it? If you reply I get to crack your skull.
To be fair if you’re an ICE goon running headfirst into a wall might be a common activity for you so it seemed like a plausible story to come up with.
if one ingests enough steroids, testosterone, cocaine etc all sorts of complications physical & otherwise are often likely to occur
nottheonion
one doesn’t have to be a physician to conclude that a person can’t get skull fractures on both the right and left sides of their head and from front to back by running themselves into a wall
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