So we’ve gone up from 4th Amendment violations to the 5th Amendment. Soon it’ll be 6th, and the 13th is a little shaky.
Kidnapping. That’s kidnapping.
When these fuckers finally get taken down, the “I WaZ OnLy FoLlOwInG OrDURzzz” will fall on deaf ears with zero public empathy.
Get fucked brown shirts!
Find a good lawyer and sue the fuck out of them.
That’s about a good a 42 U.S. Code § 1983 claim as I can imagine.
Sue sue sudio
Sudo sue
Only with Sue’s consent
OP already forgot the 14th.
1st and 2nd too. Can’t protest or carry.
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” -JFK
If any group has zero rights, all it takes to remove anyone’s rights is attaching them to that group.
It’s an all or nothing thing
If one of us us chained, none of us are free.
You don’t understand liberty until someone speaks for yours.
-N.E.R.D., Drill Sergeant
Your constitution is worthless when you have an executive branch that doesn’t care about it while having an overly loyal majority support of the legislative and judicative branch.
It was been by rich white men for <checks notes> rich white men.
It also takes complicity from the “opposition” party. Even with the loyalty of the legislative and judicial branch their actions should be moderated by the balancing quality in the Democratic process of “turn around is fair play”.
Meaning that you don’t want to do anything that gives grounds for your opposition to copy if they were to get into power. The problem being that the DNC has shown itself to not have a spine, equating tit for tat politics as beneath their dignity.
fuck right off.
There’s room for real discussion of the democrat’s failings. This in particular did not make it into that cup.
I get what you’re trying to do with constant vitriol aimed at dems around every corner. We’re still going to work to defeat the fascists with or without you.
There is no third party that’s going to win in 2028 or 2030. Ranked choice is great, but we’re still just working on continuing fptp for an election or two. We have immediate problems that need to be dealt with, and intentionally or unintentionally, you’re not helping.
If the Dems had control of the Supreme Court OR the Executive OR Congress, this wouldn’t be happening. They don’t. They hold some culpability for that, but they’re not directly responsible for every shitty thing the nazis do.
There’s room for real discussion of the democrat’s failings. This in particular did not make it into that cup.
Over two decades of thirdway politics has no complicity in creating the situation we find ourselves in?
get what you’re trying to do with constant vitriol aimed at dems around every corner. We’re still going to work to defeat the fascists with or without you.
Ohh yeah… Because one valid complaint is constant vitriol? You can fight that strawman instead of making a valid rebuttal if you want to.
The house willing to vote to fund ice is surely a sign of fighting fascist.
There is no third party that’s going to win in 2028 or 2030. Ranked choice is great, but we’re still just working on continuing fptp for an election or two. We have immediate problems that need to be dealt with, and intentionally or unintentionally, you’re not helping.
When did I say anything about voting for a third party? Who are you arguing with?
Making valid criticism against any party is important… Most importantly your own. The DNC isn’t going to move away from thirdway centrism unless they hear from it from their own voters.
If the Dems had control of the Supreme Court OR the Executive OR Congress, this wouldn’t be happening.
If dems supported progressive candidates instead of centerist they wouldn’t have lost the supreme court or the legislative branch…
They hold some culpability for that, but they’re not directly responsible for every shitty thing the nazis do.
Did I say they hold all the culpability…or are you just arguing against another strawman of your own making again?
Thirdway politics is the reason the Republican party feels emboldened enough to be fascist in the first place. When the common people can’t differentiate between the two parties because both sides are just looking out for the top tax bracket then they are going to only care about punishing scapegoats.
Why are you apologizing for them? They’ve dropped the ball in too many ways to list.
ICE records show Biden admin plans could give Trump a head start on deportations
President Biden Signs Anti-Immigrant Spending Bill Reaching Trump-Era Highs
Biden’s Emergency Funding Proposal Seeks $14 Billion for Immigration System From Congress
Tom Homan - Border Czar was originally appointed by Obama
Keep in mind, these democrat moves to bolster ICE were happening while the right was blatantly telegraphing their moves to immediately weaponize ICE once they took power. Project 2025 came out and promised to use ICE to plunder and abuse Americans. Biden and team then spent the next 4 years not only failing to prepare for Trump, but preemptively strengthening the mechanisms Trump would eventually use to carry out project 2025. The democrats are controlled opposition.
Sure, maybe we wouldnt be seeing this intense of immigration enforcement if Kamala were in charge or the dems had SCOTUS, but if she were, she’d be working behind the scenes to ensure the right had all the tools they needed when the time was right.
The democrats are controlled opposition and the American electoral system is kabuki theater. The fascist descent is the only logical conclusion to the American political experiment- which was predicated on the wholesale genocide of Native American Indians and quickly pivoted to enslaving an entire continent.
You realize what the only logical conclusion to your “pragmatic liberal utilitarianism” is, right? I give it 4 years before youre chiding leftists for not voting for dem candidate Ted Cruz as he campaigns against republican candidate Mecha Hitler. Youll still see nothing wrong with that. You will sell out the victims of American Imperialism to buy yourself 4 more years of political waffling - just as you did with Palestinians.
They were working for the people because the people (who voted for Trump) wanted immigration enforcement.
They were representing their people, maybe foolishly. They were making sure there was no valid reason to vote for Trump, thinking that the vote would go logically.
Instead the vote went to propaganda and memes.
So to you “immigration enforcement” is a valid reason?
This is basically hating Hitler, not because the whole genocide thing, but because he was so undemocratic.
There’s room for real discussion of the democrat’s failings.
Why say this when you’re going to spend the rest of the comment making it crystal clear that you think the opposite?
It’s the “I’m not racist, but” of party apologists.
Somehow a less than perfect opponent deserves the same amount of vitriol and discussion as outright fascists.
Imagine thinking it’s that black and white. And Lemmy is swarming with those dumbass takes.
They can’t win, so that negates every god damned point you make.
We know that now
A lot of people were warning about this beforehand.
This shit will happen every day from now on until something is done about it- and complaining doesn’t seem to be the solve.
I hate to admit this but I’m terrified to go beyond complaining. I don’t want to have to fight these fucking ghouls. But I guess the pool of options is evaporating.
As a German I wish you all the best and hope you can avoid the worst.
It won’t be easy.
Don’t fight these ghouls. They are a symptom; oligarchs are the disease.
Register your complaint with the richest person within driving distance.
I remember this one guy registered a complaint with a CEO and it basically turned him into a national heartthrob
I feel ya. But doing noting hasn’t really moved the needle much. Complacency teaches repetition.
And you’re doing what?
That sounds like something a narc would ask…
LOL, what the FUCK? How? That makes no sense.
Me asking some random person encouraging others to get killed what he is contributing makes me a “narc”?
These internet warriors are trying to incite violence from the safety of their keyboards. They deserve to be called out. And the fact that all you can respond with is a childish, irrelevant insult says it all.
Not answering debate bate.
bate
I think you mean bait. Just trying to help.
Bait and bate are homonyms, sound the same but have different spelling and meanings.
bate /bāt/ transitive verb
- To lessen the force or intensity of; moderate.
- To take away; subtract.
- To lessen by retrenching, deducting, or reducing; to abate; to beat down; to lower.
bait /bāt/
noun
- Food or other lure placed on a hook or in a trap and used in the taking of fish, birds, or other animals.
- Something, such as a worm, used for this purpose.
- An enticement, temptation, or provocation.
Neet.
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That’s what I thought, debate bate.
And would you look at that! It comes with a bonus MAGA accusation! A two-fer!
I’ll digress…
If it might help you later on, it’s best not to make assumptions based entirely on someone’s unwillingness to argue with you online. It just ends up making you look like a fool. And we really don’t need that now when we’re supposed to be unified.
Just some friendly advice.
That’s what I thought, debate bate.
LOL, “debate bate”, this is a discussion forum. You’re insulting me for using such a forum to engage debate?
Let’s just be honest, you’re deflecting because you don’t want to answer my question.
And would you look at that! It comes with a bonus MAGA accusation! A two-fer!
Yes, your obvious deflection is akin to MAGA tactics, they do it all the time. You’re doing AGAIN, right here.
If it might help you later on, it’s best not to make assumptions based entirely on someone’s unwillingness to argue with you online. It just ends up making you look like a fool. And we really don’t need that now when we’re supposed to be unified.
Lol, you’re so full of shit, what a joke. I’m not making an assumption, your refusal to answer IS an answer. You feel free to encourage others to get themselves killed while doing NOTHING yourself.
Just some friendly advice: everyone can see what’s going on here. Pretending to be too high and mighty to engage in debate is a thin veneer for your clear unwillingess to answer a simple question.
Also, if you were doing something that could make you a target you’d have to pretty fucking stupid to talk about it openly on the internet
Maybe we should twerk in the street some more and keep begging Democrats.
/s for fuck’s sake.
You can’t beg Democrats because you handed the government to Republicans, again.
Yeah let’s pass the buck for the democrats some more. They are clearly the best people to run the opposition! /s
You allowed Trump to come to power. That makes you a scumbag. You want to pretend like you have the high ground when you helped a convicted felon, pedophile who tried to overturn our democracy and is currently destroying the country get elected? Absolutely not.
Yeah, who wouldn’t get super motivated to go out and vote for “we are terrible but we could be worse”
What the fuck is wrong with you people? How can you HONESTLY believe that Harris would be anywhere NEAR this bad? You can’t.
There’s no “could be” you fucking moron, read the news.
Option 1: They invade cities
Option 2: They don’t invade the cities
Option 3: Don’t give a fuck about the people in the cities <- This is the option you are supporting here
You just rephrased “we are terrible but could be worse”.
“Could be”… I think we’re beyond “could”. So fucking stupid.
Yes you knew those candidates couldn’t win and forced them on us anyway. So admit your mistake.
Yes you knew those candidates couldn’t win and forced them on us anyway. So admit your mistake.
She “couldn’t win” because you stupid fucks refused to vote for her, because apparently you think Donald Trump would be a better president.
How about you stop pretending like you didn’t play a part in bringing this about by being a short-sighted doofus?
No one “forced her” on you, she was the Vice President, the person we choose to take over for an incapacitated president.
I want you to to stop hiding behind generalities like a fucking coward. Spell out right here why you think Trump, after all we’ve seen, is better than Harris.
You morons made the mistake. You’re phoney as shit, you don’t care about liberal policies, you’re an immature child throwing a temper tantrum.
Imagine being so daft that you aren’t voting as a civic duty, let alone against fascism.
By not doing that you ensure that more drastic measures HAVE to be taken later on. Great job non voters.
I didn’t say whether I voted or not. I said the Democrats messaging wasn’t exactly the stuff of inspiration.
Why won’t you say if you voted or not?
Nobody asked me if I voted. They just assumed I didn’t because I said the Democrats ran a shitty campaign that failed to energize people. It doesn’t matter anyway, harris won my state by a huge margin.
You are defending the party that refuses to be popular in a country that chooses leaders based on popular elections. Think about that, while you think about how doing the same thing expecting different results is the definition of stupid, as you prepare to browbeat and yell down everyone for the next aristocratic corporate whore offering nothing but empty platitudes to a population in the face of republicans cheating.
You people have made our situation hopeless, unwilling to admit a mistake you are dragging us all into the abyss.
refuses to be popular
Yeah that must be it. OR you think a pedophile convicted felon is the better choice for president.
I’m not saying they can’t be better.
I’m saying people should vote as a civic duty and maybe shouldn’t be complete jackasses who sit at home and let fascism win. Two things can be true at once.
And I am saying that without getting popular opposition, and at this Point aggressive opposition with organization behind them, a group that knows how to build and run a political machine, then there is zero chance of rescuing the republic. You guys refuse to engage that point and bring it back to if only everybody believed harder and voted. Everybody went way out of their way to get Biden elected in the face of attempts to fix it for republicans, and he did absolutely God damn nothing with it. Then settled us with a doomed to fail candidate, and he was doomed to fail if he stayed in either.
To none Americans, mentioning someone professionally killed for the US, is not the win it’s supposed to be
I think it carries some rhetorical weight. ICE is a political paramilitary organisation and as it serves no legitimate civic or legal function outside of that purpose it’s entirely wrapped up IN the politics behind it and attempts to invoke some legitimacy through that. It is because of that political support from some of the populace that such a force can exist and do what it does without uniform discontent and disapproval from the population suffering under their activities.Those particular segments subscribing to those particular politics have, as part of the wider constellation of beliefs, admiration for and an idealistic appreciation of the traditional military and those who are or have been a part of it (as long as they’re quiet and don’t say anything inconvenient).
When even former or serving military veterans get victimised it does make it look at least a little bit worse to a wider range of people than it otherwise might. ICE supporters will certainly have ideological defences and rationalisations for this, they’ll surely rapidly disown military personnel who don’t toe the line and attempt to discredit them, but is at least a little bit inconvenient having to do this compared to just cheering on the oppression as part of a righteous attack on undesirable elements as any other victims will be considered.
Some of us Americans, too, for what little that’s worth.
And those who “served in combat” is even worse.
Fuckers think it’s a admirable thing to go to other countries and kill innocent civilians.
So, if we ignore that 4th amendment violation and note how often this administration violated the 1st amendment, I will note that 1 + 5 + 6 + 13 = a 25th amendment solution.
You can’t argue that math! (Literally, it can’t be argued with!)
I won’t argue with you on that math… but unfortunately the pedophile certainly can argue against the 25th… he is unfortunately livid enough to deny it.
Livid, or lucid?
Either way, there isn’t anyone in the executive with a spine, so the 25th is never going to happen, anyway.
The only way the fascist pedo will be removed is via impeachment and force, or on Jan 20, 2029, but again likely by force. And the only way impeachment would happen is if Dems get a majority in the House (could happen) and exceed 2/3 majority in the Senate which is unlikely to happen.
There is another way. God has the final veto on his performance, after all. Perhaps He will send His Last Cheeseburger soon, to redeem us all.
*hamberder
God
That has as much likelihood of existing (and caring) about as much as there being a next (fair) election.
Ah yes lucid. Im too livid to be lucid enough to use correct terminology. Thanks.
Not lucid, but no one who has the legal power to invoke it wants to threaten what they’re getting from him staying in position. It’s not just Trump; I’d say that he isn’t the real problem, just a symptom allowed to persist because of the rot elsewhere.
100%. Rot is everywhere. And while it began decades ago, it was exponentially sped up due to the Citizens United decision.
I think you have to use negative numbers for the amendments, and multiply them.
The numbers don’t lie
“I don’t know whether they’re incompetent or if they chose to do this, but it’s not good.”
In my local jail, it can take up to a week to be able to call someone but typically more like 3 days. This is because the phones in the holding cells are often broken, so you need to wait until after bail is set and you go upstairs, and then they charge money to make the calls. Meaning, if you don’t have an account already set up, you’re going to have to wait until someone is willing to show you how to set it up. That’s just for regular criminal issues.
When someone requests an attorney, all questioning stops dead. If they continue on, it becomes fruit of the poisonous tree.
That doesn’t apply in this case, they dint care about court cases. The arrest and torture is the only point.
Believe it or not but most cops aren’t as virtuous as Stabler and don’t have a pretty blonde DA around to challenge them over what they would be willing to do to seek justice. And a “good” attorney can often work around that.
But also, that doesn’t change anything. From skimming the article, it sounds like he wasn’t being interrogated without a lawyer. He was just being left to languish in confinement. Which… is how the us legal system “works”.
This is less “ice are bad” and more “all cops are bastards”
Yeah not really though. They say that answering any question waives that request again. Like what is your name? If you don’t repeat the request for the lawyer it’s waived.
And police lie.
If they continue on, it becomes fruit of the poisonous tree.
so just shoot them or strangle them in holding. That’s what is going on.
Obviously, this is why you should keep your habeas attorney on retainer at all times. (/s)
If they don’t obey laws neither should we
Why even talk about any constitution when your government doesn’t care about any laws?
Left out 1st and 2nd
