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I think if you think the “5 eyes” nations is anything but an extension of US power in an international way; you might be the one misunderstanding the commentor for “crazy” because you don’t get what they are trying to get you to understand.

5 eyes sounds like they are a bit of a conspiracy nut; with that vocabulary. Nothing really wrong with it. But I think most people would just say “the west”.

But do you think that Epstein is a single unique operation? Do you think that this isn’t involving all of “the west”? It clearly is.

The fundamental link is the capitalist class that has gained enough power to fuel international child sex trafficking. And they are literally laughing whenever the topic is brought up. They know their power. The rest of us haven’t realized our much more powerful collective power and taken action. It’s why they keep laughing.

I think the downvotes are from people with good intentions but haven’t been able to give up on their ideas of what America is.

It’s a means of identity that they have. They feel the insult is directed at their position as “an American”. It’s something that has been told to them since birth. It’s hard to disconnect that from what “America” is to the rest of the world.

They focus on Epstein alone because it gives them a means in which to maintain that identity and focus it on “the elite” or whatever. They think “The system is capable of justice. We just need to fight within it”.

But, what they don’t understand, is that that’s exactly what “America” is. They don’t control America as “an American”. They Iran war is not a distraction from the Epstein files. It is an EXTENSION of them. It serves the same interests of the ruling class.

It feels comforting to focus on a single issue. It makes the problem seem fixable. We just need to stay focused and bring justice to the pedophilic elite.

Well, I think it’s clear at this point that the entire ruling class of our nation are built upon the structures that allow an Epstein to exist.

Epstein is not the entire iceberg. We have a president in power that is rounding up children with ICE. ICE is not a distraction from Epstein. It is an EXTENSION of it.

No one that understands this is “distracted” by something. They are working for the revolution that would require a justice to occur.

We will not get justice for the victims of Epstein. We will not get justice for the children trafficked TODAY by those same powers. Do you think these pedophiles stopped when Epstein was exposed? No. They have no fear. They have no fear because “Americans” are still believing that the current systems of government will bring them to justice. Stop believing that lie.

Please don’t be distracted by your hyper-focus on Epstein. You are missing the forest for the trees and we won’t ever have justice under the power structures we have today. Stop waiting for “the evidence” for that justice to come. It will not come. This “America” is not capable of that until you as “an American” understand this; and you fight for a revolutionary change.

I swear some leftist are in a cult of just always wanting to get dunked on.

Trump is a reflection of those that hold power in our society. It’s why he is such a massive piece of shit. The wealthy rulers of this country are exactly who formed him.

Mamdani is just one of the first people that actually wants to improve that society for everyone. He has enough power and charisma to play to Trump’s ego and does it well.

And now I want to write a website for donating to Trump or right wing causes that actually sends all funds to pro Palestinian causes.

I guess you’re just using sarcasm to deal with denial of what is happening.

I get it. The things I’m talking about needing to be done are likely not going to happen. I would say we are both coping with the reality in different ways.

I don’t want to be upset with you for dealing with it another way. I guess I just think you’re holding onto the idea of a world (or the USA) that no longer exists.

I think there is no way to a better future that isn’t fought for against the current systems that exist. You, I am assuming, are trying to restore something (and if I’m being critical that “something” is a delusion of the past). It’s why it’s so difficult for you to state any concrete plan as I have. Your advice was “be careful” and then fell back on just belittling any talk of organized resistance as some form of adventurism.

It’s why you have to pretend I’m talking about something I’m not talking about. You act like I’m talking about some vigilante form of resistance. And I never have been.

I wish you’d try to continue the conversation instead of just falling back on sarcastic responses that criticize a position I don’t hold.

Good job avoiding the question. My line was crossed already. I am. I’m the person out there with the sign today (something I doubt you are even doing, but literally just telling us to keep doing that, to keep getting tear gassed, keep getting shot with pepper bombs).

If you were even doing the thing you were advocating for. That is. “protesting peacefully” you wouldn’t have the ignorant perspective you have. Stop advocating for something you clearly aren’t even doing.

By the time your line gets crossed you’ll be too scared to even go hold a sign.

Do you have a line? Like, how many people need to be executed by the feds? Is violence never justified in response to federal violence? Or do you have a line?

How many? 10? 100? 1000? At what point do you suggest fighting back? And I am not even advocating for a vigilante violence. I’m literally talking about preparing an organized defense that is armed.

You can’t wait until your chosen number of dead is reached. By then it’s too late.

How is what I discussed not being “smart” about what we do? It’s literally about preparing an organized state defense to the fascist literally executing and kidnapping people RIGHT NOW.

I think you need to read a lot more civil rights leaders that aren’t MLK. Do you think MLK existed in a vacuum? Do you think MLK and peaceful protest alone lead to change? If you do, you are believing a lie.

It’s frustrating how many people actually think the world is like a superhero movie.

It also doesn’t help that we teach history in the same form as well. Rarely much time spent on the unnamed masses that actually make things change. And if we do it’s only because they protested peacefully a lot. Or were justified in fighting some “ultimate evil” that liberals will only agree exists decades after the fact.

They’ve already exposed themselves. What are you waiting for? What is your line? When they come for you? Offer an alternative that isn’t just “wait until things are REALLY REALLY BAD and then that will be our opportunity to point at that; and pointing at that fascist state will somehow defeat it.”

You are falling for political talking points by weak politicians that do not want to stand up for the people they represent that are being killed and kidnapped. I need you to understand something important. Fascist DO NOT need an EXCUSE to escalate. How do you think we got to SS troops going door to door asking for papers? Was it because of all the escalating excuses we gave them?

Please, we need people like you to not fall for Democrat politicians that are just trying to save themselves.

You also offered no alternative. Your advice to be “careful” is not advice. If you actually had a proposal I’d be interested in discussing that. But you are essentially arguing for doing nothing as the fascist continue to escalate in the face of nothing being done.

I don’t disagree. I like that spirit. I’m just telling you the reality that unless ICE (or “election integrity enforcement” or whatever they end up calling it) is not present AT ALL than there will be significantly less voter turnout.

They will also use any organized resistance as a reason to “recount” the votes in that area.

I’m not saying this to be a Doomer. I’m saying this so people prepare. There is no scenario in which the upcoming election is free and fair. We need to be preparing state and local level resistance. A unified and state armed multi state coalition. If the blue state politicians don’t move on this. Well, we need to start considering that our state governments are not taking the threat seriously and accept what needs to be done to form a real resistance. ICE will not leave because we brought signs. Alex Pretti had the right idea. But we need the organization of an actual state government to do that.

The literal president ran on “lock her up” and did no such thing. You think Bill and Hillary are innocent of crimes? No, they are all in the same club of pedophile and genocide defenders.

I do enjoy the blame game they are all playing right now. It’s like a game of mutually assured destruction but with pedophiles instead of nuclear weapons.

They won’t need to do anything but put ICE outside the polls in non white neighborhoods. They will do this anywhere they can to intimidate voters. Enough people will not go vote just because of their presence there.

"Search “yellow Parenti” on YouTube if you want a taste of the author in lecture form

A lot of people don’t read Parenti’s Blackshirts and Reds. Sounds like something you’d enjoy. Though, given your comment you might have already.

That’s exactly why the planned opposition party will continue to keep the machine running. At this point, I think anyone that has faith in the Democratic party is literally more delusional than the people that voted for Trump three times.

We are literally watching the equivalent of the liberal parties in Germany voting for the Enabling Act. And, honestly, they already did that when they funded ICE like they did.

The only thing pathetic at this point is that all Americans aren’t going full hostile takeover.

I am an American. I know the frustration of people that care. So this isn’t directed at your comment specifically. I feel and understand your frustration and doomerism in “nothing will happen”. But, nothing will happen because YOU and I aren’t doing anything.

We’re seeing a massive opportunity right now for people that don’t usually pay attention to actually pay attention. I’ve been at this for awhile. I had the same feeling before.

But right now the “wine mom’s” are talking about a need for reconstructing our entire system.

We are far far behind in the organization that we need to enact real change. The flame of frustration is AHEAD of the actual organized efforts. Many are just sitting in wait.

You (anyone reading this) and I. We can’t sit in wait. We are the ones that should have been prepared for this opportunity.

If you’re not going to a meeting (in person) in your community to organize against ICE or work for resistance, well, you need to. DSA, PSL, your local immigrant rights organizations, etc. You need to get connected NOW.

If all you do is donate some whistles or give a ride to someone that needed it. YOU did something! Do one thing and start there.

Individual attitude is keeping leftist in wait. Our collective minimal effort is much more powerful than anything else. And that minimal effort is addicting. It’s will bring you to even more. It’s everything you’ve been looking for that has been missing. There is no better mental health therapy than the feeling of solidarity.