I was actually surprised to see a lot of comments on r/conservative talking about how the stuff the feds are saying about the second amendment is wrong and unconstitutional, and a good number saying that the killing wasn’t necessary, they’ll ultimately support Trump and ICE over any kind of progressive though but it was interesting. Even the NRA posted about how Pretti was a legal gun owner and there should be an investigation before people jump to conclusions.
The 8 year Border Patrol veteran who shot him seemed to see the gun and unholstered his own, then the moment Alex’s gun was taken away he started shooting. It’s like he saw the justification and realized he could execute him and waited to be safe, at no point is the main murderer in any danger or engaged directly with Alex, he was watching from above until he started shooting.
It’s different when they are actively murdering us. This is an urgent crisis, imagine a violent gang was roaming and blatantly murdering people and abducting children in a city and the government called them heroes? And a decent amount of the local police are friends with that gang. Courts and trials are important also but we need to use whatever means we have to prevent or slow the killing if we have the ability to.
If you were truly helpful you’d say something helpful instead of whatever stupid bullshit you commented. Why not comment a suggestion of a better plan then?
We’ve had dozens of martyrs already, people are dying we don’t even know about.
We just call them nazis because it’s shorter and there aren’t many original nazis left, the nazis at the time never called themselved that anyway, it’s always been a colloquialism. Though it would be more accurate to call the modern Republicans Neo-Nazis or at least in general fascists. They have taken over the US government and are attempting to start numerous wars which could potentially be seen as a precursor to WW3.
A reasonable person must have believed they could get out of the way of the vehicle, of which the driver was not accused of any crime and was not acting belligerent, because his feet and legs were almost entirely to the side of the vehicle before he shot, and he continued shooting through the side window. If he has such a lack of awareness or emotional instability that his perception becomes so easily warped he should not be trusted in that role. Furthermore it only unfolded that quickly because of aggressive actions of the officers. They pulled directly up to the vehicle, trapped it with their bodies while she tried to comply with their order to leave, while also shouting conflicting orders in the first instant they got up to the victim.
And if we are looking at the full picture, what could their justification be for lieing about having medics or blocking medical aid for over ten minutes? Then once arriving, blocking the ambulance down the road. Actions after the fact attest to a person’s state of mind when committing the act. Why wouldn’t they comply with an investigation and stay on scene right away as well? I really doubt there is any official policy that you should flee the scene after you shoot someone in the face even in self defense.
How the encounter started is entirely relevant. How can it be self-defense when the officer purposely and needlessly put themselves in danger? If you base an analysis solely on what the shooter says they felt in the moment how can you have any sort of objective investigation into any shooting?
Only an unreasonable person would believe that killing the driver of a car that you are no longer in front of would be self-defense. It goes against every policy I’ve seen related to use of force against drivers even if she had been intentionally ramming him. Maybe if this were a random person but he has been trained specifically about this scenario and has been in the job for ten years, cops have been charged for less in similar situations. He has no defense, but there likely won’t be a legitimate trial anyway.
I can’t say what he perceived but multiple agents were circling the vehicle while the driver was trying to leave, they yelled conflicting demands which included telling her to leave and then tried to open her door when she hadn’t done anything warrenting her apprehension, within seconds shooting her from the side of her vehicle. ICE has already murdered people, you could argue that she feared for her life, and rightfully so. She was in her right to defend herself from the masked unidentified agents apparently trying to abduct her.
Let’s just say we’re actually arguing self-defense, how does shooting the driver of a car in front of you eliminate that danger? If he had actually been in danger he would have been ran over because after murdering her the car accelerated forward.
Where in the definition of genocide does the attempt have to be successful before you call it genocide or try stop it?
Immigrants are dying and being abused in camps, and being shot and beaten when apprehened, which is why people are filming them, Ranee Good and Alex Pretti weren’t obstructing or creating an aggressive situation, and anyone who suggests they were can go fuck themselves to hell.