“It wasn’t because Biden voters shifted to Trump—but because so many of them stayed home.”
We must not repeat this same mistake again. Remember to always vote in every election and consider volunteering to knock on doors. It can make a difference. There are elections that are decided with just a small number of votes.
“It wasn’t because Biden voters shifted to Trump—but because so many of them stayed home.”
I’m sorry but that is bullshit. That’s like saying that the protestor died because the gun released a bullet, completely forgetting that the police aimed at them in the first place.
Voters stayed home because they felt uninspired by whatever democratic candidates tried to represent. The thing is, i’m in europe and i do follow the news, but i barely ever heard any specific plans from Kamala. i never got the “oh wow that’s a good idea” thought, because there was poor communication, no exposure, etc. It’s all a bubble. If you’re inside it, it seems like there’s a lot of communication. But that communication doesn’t leave the bubble because it doesn’t speak the other’s language. It refuses to communicate with people who are not already on the same page. That’s why a lot of commenters are gonna reply to my comment, saying “no, actually, Kamala’s messaging was great”. Because they experienced it like that, because they actively seeked out the communication, and found it. But to the typical voter, who’s not specially politically involved, and not specifically seeking out the communication, they don’t get exposed to it.
On top of that what i’m strongly considering is that our political stances need to recognize that people really just want to live, both now and in the future. They want to have the economical perspective that they can buy nice stuff, and that the world is somehow gonna develop into a better tomorrow. A political party is gonna win exactly if it can provide these two to the people. That’s what we need.
THEN STOP FUCKING RUNNING CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS WITHOUT MEANINGFUL PRIMARIES
A FALSE CHOICE FALLACY IS A FUCKING FALLACY
Not a meaningful reason to let a facist win.
Wow then good thing I voted for Kamala huh?
You’re making absolutely no sense to your point troll
It doesn’t make sense to both vote for the Democrat in the general and to also want an actual primary and a candidate that isn’t as centrist as possible? Do you have 3 brain cells total?
A quick reminder that most everyone wasn’t voting for the “cOnSeRvAtiVe dEmOcRaT”. We were voting against a fascist wannabe king.
That you people can’t understand that there is a difference is clearly illustrated in the article.
If you’re candidates only argument is, “I’m not the other guy” you’re going to LOSE
Don’t know why ppl are surprised we elected a wannabe dictator. The country was founded on genocide and slave labor
- It’s *your, and-
- LMAO.
We can either burn showly. Or burn quick and get the fire over with.
So, you admins it was purposeful??
Put another Clinton up there and see what happens.
Y’all thought you knew what you was doing when you sniped Bernie.
We built you a revolution and you burnt it down.
Clinton Democrats are the real bootlickers. Who wants to be a part of that?
Absolutely hilarious!
You didn’t build shit bud. But there is no fucking way you’ll believe anything I have to say. Gonna block you now. I don’t have the patience to deal with people like you.
Guess I came off a bit strong. Although when I think about 2016, my blood boils. And then they did it again in 2024.
And the funny thing is, I relish the moment we get a woman president. Then these 2 corporate hacks phonied their way to the front of the line and set women back at least 2 decades.
UPDATE:
This really had me thinking and I see that kind of attitude of sticking your head in the sand is just going to give us Trump part 3.
This person won’t read this but anyone else reading this need to understand that if you run fascist light, then you will get the fascist and your candidate will go home crying again.
You want people to vote, then give them what they fucking want.
Biden had Covid votes, that is likely why he won at all, not because a moderate candidate is a winner.
“This evidence is detrimental to my argument so I’m going to ignore it.”
One things was clearly rooted in evidence, the reduced participation on voting.
I feel like the rest might have been a bit more Shakey ground.
In 2020, the working poor were largely not going into jobs and also had easiest access to voting. They were both easiest to vote and everyone was pissed that the pandemic sucked, so they were able to and motivated to vote.
The working poor put lives on the line going to work at McDonald’s and hospitals, then when they asked for living wages and sane schedules, they were unskilled labor again.
If you want me to vote, then you need to stop nominating corporate puppets.
I’ve showed up at every primary, for example.
I guarantee you that for whatever district or race if you compare the Democrat and the Republican running in that race you’ll find that the Democrat is less corporate and cares more about the people than the Republican in that race does. Voting for the Democrat even the one who wasn’t your first choice in the primary brings you closer to where you want to be and helps shift the Overton window. Primaries typically happen every election cycle and eventually by electing enough Democrats flipping every seat you can will either result in the Democrat you believe is too corporate to shift their beliefs or will result in their ouster with someone who is less corporate.
if you compare the Democrat and the Republican running in that race you’ll find
This is the fucking problem, right here.
People dont make “”““rational””“” choices when they’re driven toward frustration and desparation, and democrats marketing themselves as ‘not republicans’ in lieu of offering any significant change is a massive source of that desparation.
And WHY DID PEOPLE STAY HOME?
I assure you that it is the party’s job to inspire people to vote and not the people’s job to inspire the party.
It is literally the people’s job to keep an insane lunatic from running the country. Because we didn’t the loss of USAID is going to net 5 figure deaths including many kids. Tell the thousands of kids you whacked sorry.
Heaven forbid you tell people they have a civic duty no matter who is on the ballot.
And it’s the people’s responsibility to vote.
Both failed. I definitely blame the losers who didn’t show up as much as anyone else, though.
Because the Democrat Party pretty loudly told people who supported an end to Palestinian Apartheid that they did not want their support let alone their input. That they thought it was more important to court Liz Cheney and other Republicans and lock the Uncommitted delegates out of the convention despite exceeding their goals by 10 times to show that not listening on this issue had enough votes on the line to close the 2016 Clinton-Trump gap, let alone the 2020 Biden-Trump gap that it got over halfway to. The party said they wanted more support from lean Republican voters than the voters asking for a Democrat candidate who would speak out against genocide, and, even with record turnout in one of the main states for the issue, the there were more voters for Trump then either of his previous runs. But, yeah, blame the voters, they only turned out at the second highest rate since 1908 (with only the 2020 election being higher) and even Democrats had better turnout among the voter-eligible population that any of the second-place candidates since the 60s (and better turnout than more than half of presidents since then as well). If you’re putting the onus on the relatively small proportion of non-voters instead of either the moderate showing of the Democrats, or, you know, the people that actually came out to vote for Trump, then you’re not really focused on the issue.
I’m saying that everyone who didn’t vote Harris is at fault. And very, very few people had a good reason not to.
It certainly a convenient place to lay the blame. Makes it real easy to tell flattering narratives. No need to examine what role the party has, since clearly they’re doing what they must to get their candidate elected. Why should they carry any blame? They voted for Harris, after all! Surely, pouring millions of dollars into candidates that don’t resonate with the people and that are unwilling to push the needle against the direction conservatives are pulling it has nothing to do with their consistent messaging that people should just settle for the options they’re presenting the country with?
Clearly, the DNC has some serious misunderstanding of the electorate given their choices over the past quarter century. But something tells me they’re gonna roll the dice on “we’re your only option” again and act surprised when that wasn’t enough to garner support rather than lukewarm acceptance. Maybe if they really hammer how little they’ll do to offset the damage Republicans have done over the past half century and tell us that they just want to get back to “working across the aisle” on “business as usual”, it’ll actually work this time!
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Trump won because he ran unopposed.
Trump had a primary that he led in consistently. Kamala ran a weak campaign, but in the end, Kamala’s name was on the ballot. Also, neither Kamala nor Trump could impact policy without the permission of Congress, which is occupied primarily by Republicans who each ran for that seat.
Also, neither Kamala nor Trump could impact policy without the permission of Congress
I submit to you: the entirety of 2025.
Republicans gave Trump his “Big Beautiful Bill” which included his ICE budget. Republicans could impeach Donald Trump at any point. A minority of Republicans could join Democrats in the House and Senate, and remove this entire administration from office, permanently. Republicans are following Trump because their Speaker of the House and Head of Senate say to. Speaker Mike Johnson and Head of Senate John Thune are supporting Trump because former speaker Kevin McCarthy was miserably removed by MAGA Republicans in part because he did not support Donald Trump’s Big Lie
It sucks to think about, but I prefer truth over ignorance. Trump is the symptom, not the problem. If Vance, Trump, Miller, etc. were all shot dead, it would help by striking some fear into our reps, but it wouldn’t solve the problem.
Maybe have a fucking primary and people won’t stay home.
Or, you know, vote, because fucking LUCIFER is on the ballot.
I can appreciate not wanting Lucifer to win but the average person doesn’t get motivated by lesser of the two evils, its not enough. The other guy has to make them want to get off their ass. Obama made people want to get out and vote. Trump did too, as much as I don’t like to admit it.
the average person doesn’t get motivated by lesser of the two evils
A huge number of choices in life are just that. So suck it up, Buttercup.
Your attitude isn’t very inspirational.
Life isn’t inspirational either.
In that case, I’ll find something else that’s inspirational. A relaxing walk by the lake, perhaps?
A Trump presidency isn’t either.
Eh, I’ll just sleep through it.
