TLDR Trump loosed the dogs of war, screwed the pooch, and now gets to eat a dogshit sandwich. He won on day one and lost everything. Iran's regime literally changed — new Supreme Leader, wartime mandate, unified population — and the US is still bombing...
You yanks REALLY need to lose this one. Your noses need to be rubbed in it. You need to feel the SHIT you put the rest of us though. And you need to get seriously angry at the Israelis and rub THEIR noses in it. You need a big enough shock to CHANGE.
(Like I know most of the people on Lemmy are not Republican idiots. I’m obviously not talking about you personally, but about the «general public opinion» in the US, especially the Republican idiots.)
In America, we punish the incumbents. BoTh PaRtIeS have told their own constituents to fuck off; membership of registered voters is at 30% each. Independents are now 40% of voters.
Whoever wins the election tells the people who elected them to fuck off; so, we vote them out. That’s it. The new election winner then tells the people who elected them to fuck off, and so on.
Examples: Biden runs with minimum wage increase as platform, wins, then tells everybody to fuck off.
Trump then runs with “no war” as platform; wins, goes to war and tells his voters to fuck off.
He will be replaced by a Democrat, who will then also tell their voters to fuck off.
Repeat ad nauseam. Neither party does what they are elected to do and are then punished, to be replaced by the other party that will refuse to do what they were elected to do.
We can’t vote ourselves out of this, unfortunately.
They don’t have anything to loose. Another Republican president? Great! They can sit on their asses for four more years writing angry tweets about how offended they are while telling voters to fuck off. Democrats win? Even better! Sit on their asses while insider trading and taking billionaire tributes while telling voters to fuck off. What a great system we have.
I agree with the incumbent part, but exactly how was Biden able to pass minimum wage law but decided not to? It can’t go in reconciliation and they didn’t have the votes for it in the Senate.
I’m sadly forced to work alongside some republican asshats, and let me tell you, they’re fucking ecstatic about how the usa military is kicking Iran’s ass. Reality has no bearing on them.
The US committed a war crime on day one, and Israel has been on a war crime spree since Oct 7… if this turns into a world war, it’ll be that Mitchell and Webb skit… “are we the baddies?”
You’re being too lenient. It’s not just Republicans, they’re only 1/3 of the population, the even bigger issue is the “moderate” and “apolitical” people that make up another 1/3…these people will loudly oppose anything and everything but blatant extreme right wing authoritarianism, in fact they’ll get more upset about the final 1/3 of the population that’s against authoritarianism than they will ever get at literal dictators.
And you represent the real problem, in my opinion.
bOtH pArTiEs need to stop treating independents like shit. It doesn’t help you. You REQUIRE independents to win, perhaps you should stop treating them with contempt? Maybe do what they want… like stop supporting Israel?
You might THINK not supporting Israel is “blatant extreme right wing authoritarianism”, but independents don’t agree with you. Have a little respect… a tiny bit.
I’m not a Democrat and I sure as hell don’t support Israel…what are you even talking about? The 1/3 thing is a consistent split throughout history across the globe, I’m not just talking about Israel or our right wing terrorist party and our super ultra right wing terrorist party.
I think you’re way overestimating the consistency of independents in the US when it comes to Israel. See recent Gallup figures from February. It’s only in the last year that net sentiment seems to cut against support for Israel.
This seems to come up a bit. Disaffected voters recognize that neither dominant party represents them, see that others feel the same way, and then seemingly assume that the other disaffecteds share their opinion on x or y. If only the party would align with me on this topic, they’d bring over all the independents! It’s not that simple of an equation for many issues.
This isn’t to say Democrats to a good job at triangulating public will or building a coalition. They do not.
…I’m not sure Europe would be better off if Iran was controlled by Russia, and I’m not sure if an independent Iran is a realistic option. At the end of the day, it seems like Europe needs the oil more than America does.
I sort of agree though. I haven’t heard a compelling argument as to why we are interfering in Europe’s problems. They have the strength of character to take on countries like Iran and Russia.
Europe didn’t fight Israel’s war against Iran for it. Europe was quite happy leaving Iran alone, having the odd awkward diplomatic discussion. Europe was happy buying oil and related good from the gulf states as needed.
You yanks REALLY need to lose this one. Your noses need to be rubbed in it. You need to feel the SHIT you put the rest of us though. And you need to get seriously angry at the Israelis and rub THEIR noses in it. You need a big enough shock to CHANGE.
(Like I know most of the people on Lemmy are not Republican idiots. I’m obviously not talking about you personally, but about the «general public opinion» in the US, especially the Republican idiots.)
In America, we punish the incumbents. BoTh PaRtIeS have told their own constituents to fuck off; membership of registered voters is at 30% each. Independents are now 40% of voters.
Whoever wins the election tells the people who elected them to fuck off; so, we vote them out. That’s it. The new election winner then tells the people who elected them to fuck off, and so on.
Examples: Biden runs with minimum wage increase as platform, wins, then tells everybody to fuck off.
Trump then runs with “no war” as platform; wins, goes to war and tells his voters to fuck off.
He will be replaced by a Democrat, who will then also tell their voters to fuck off.
Repeat ad nauseam. Neither party does what they are elected to do and are then punished, to be replaced by the other party that will refuse to do what they were elected to do.
We can’t vote ourselves out of this, unfortunately.
The real political innovation here is that the Democratic party is telling its voters to fuck off before the next election.
They don’t have anything to loose. Another Republican president? Great! They can sit on their asses for four more years writing angry tweets about how offended they are while telling voters to fuck off. Democrats win? Even better! Sit on their asses while insider trading and taking billionaire tributes while telling voters to fuck off. What a great system we have.
I agree with the incumbent part, but exactly how was Biden able to pass minimum wage law but decided not to? It can’t go in reconciliation and they didn’t have the votes for it in the Senate.
They don’t care. It’s a video game to most Americans. That’s what having oceans between you and the bombs does.
I’m sadly forced to work alongside some republican asshats, and let me tell you, they’re fucking ecstatic about how the usa military is kicking Iran’s ass. Reality has no bearing on them.
The US committed a war crime on day one, and Israel has been on a war crime spree since Oct 7… if this turns into a world war, it’ll be that Mitchell and Webb skit… “are we the baddies?”
You’re being too lenient. It’s not just Republicans, they’re only 1/3 of the population, the even bigger issue is the “moderate” and “apolitical” people that make up another 1/3…these people will loudly oppose anything and everything but blatant extreme right wing authoritarianism, in fact they’ll get more upset about the final 1/3 of the population that’s against authoritarianism than they will ever get at literal dictators.
And you represent the real problem, in my opinion.
bOtH pArTiEs need to stop treating independents like shit. It doesn’t help you. You REQUIRE independents to win, perhaps you should stop treating them with contempt? Maybe do what they want… like stop supporting Israel?
You might THINK not supporting Israel is “blatant extreme right wing authoritarianism”, but independents don’t agree with you. Have a little respect… a tiny bit.
Just an idea.
I’m not a Democrat and I sure as hell don’t support Israel…what are you even talking about? The 1/3 thing is a consistent split throughout history across the globe, I’m not just talking about Israel or our right wing terrorist party and our super ultra right wing terrorist party.
I think you’re way overestimating the consistency of independents in the US when it comes to Israel. See recent Gallup figures from February. It’s only in the last year that net sentiment seems to cut against support for Israel.
This seems to come up a bit. Disaffected voters recognize that neither dominant party represents them, see that others feel the same way, and then seemingly assume that the other disaffecteds share their opinion on x or y. If only the party would align with me on this topic, they’d bring over all the independents! It’s not that simple of an equation for many issues.
This isn’t to say Democrats to a good job at triangulating public will or building a coalition. They do not.
well said, Dilldough
…I’m not sure Europe would be better off if Iran was controlled by Russia, and I’m not sure if an independent Iran is a realistic option. At the end of the day, it seems like Europe needs the oil more than America does.
I sort of agree though. I haven’t heard a compelling argument as to why we are interfering in Europe’s problems. They have the strength of character to take on countries like Iran and Russia.
Europe didn’t fight Israel’s war against Iran for it. Europe was quite happy leaving Iran alone, having the odd awkward diplomatic discussion. Europe was happy buying oil and related good from the gulf states as needed.
The US need to lose because they shat the bed.
Even more, Europe and the US had a goddamn deal with Iran that now sounds like an unrealistically optimistic scenario.