• gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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    15 days ago

    Hey Hillary, do you know what I’d like to hear from you?

    Nothing. Absolutely fucking nothing. You fucking lost to the fascist the first time around and paved the way for his ascent to power. You are a HUGE fucking factor in how we got to where we are now.

    • She is a fascist herself who led the unilateral intervention on Libya that lead to the unnecessary deaths of 50k people in a civil war that didn’t need to happen, architected the pivot to Asia which will lead to WW3, and “promoted” LGBT rights internationally in a way that got LGBT people thrown under the bus world wide as a side effect of resisting American imperial power.

  • msage@programming.dev
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    15 days ago

    I’m sorry, but what the actual fuck?

    Why does she need to say that?

    And why is every democratic presidential nominee like this?

  • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
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    15 days ago

    Hurwitz also claimed that Holocaust education was “confusing” young people into sympathizing with “weak, skinny Palestinians” instead of “powerful Israelis.”

    What. The. Fuck.

  • FishFace@piefed.social
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    15 days ago

    Yeah, it couldn’t be the UN-confirmed genocide, nor the IDF-sanctioned videos of complete devastation, nor the steady wash of articles from journalists with decades of experience confirming utterly inhumane practices around aid distribution, rules of engagement and civilian deaths. Couldn’t be.

    • GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org
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      15 days ago

      UN-confirmed

      In case anyone misread that, they mean the United Nations (UN) confirmed it.

      Yes, it’s a genocide. Genocide is bad. It’s not that fucking complicated.

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      15 days ago

      What the heck is this image? Did she just walk into somebody’s house while they were watering their bamboo? She looks horrified.

  • CerealKiller01@lemmy.world
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    14 days ago

    Hillary Clinton: People are learning about what happened on October 7th from social media. Some of it is totally made up, some of it not at all representing what they claim to be showing. It’s a serious problem for democracy. Headline: Hillary Clinton Says Young Americans Are Pro-Palestine Because They Watch ‘Totally Made Up’ Videos of Gaza Horrors. Lemmy: Fuck Hillary Clinton. Also, MAGA are fueled by fake stuff they see on social media. Also, we can’t trust mainstream media.

    It’s not a matter of being pro-Palestinian, or even who’s right. It’s a matter of being able to have a conversation with enough common ground.

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      14 days ago

      Yeah. The media manipulation is real and a society needs to live in the same reality in order to function. Hillary Clinton brought up a totally fair point.

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        14 days ago

        If somebody was denying the holocaust and making this point in the context of that denial, would you respond the same way and say it’s a totally fair point?

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          Not at all. Thing is, where did she deny anything? Did you read the article?

          I’m not American and I’m fully supportive of Palestine and Palestinians, in favour of sanctions on Israel and of the recognition of the Palestinian state. But media manipulation is probably the biggest danger our societies are facing and it’s a problem even on this matter.

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            14 days ago

            It’s pretty clear that this is a denial, I suggest you listen to her speak.

            From the article:

            “It’s not just the usual suspects. It’s a lot of young Jewish Americans who don’t know the history and don’t understand,” she claimed, adding, “A lot of the challenge is with younger people. More than 50% of young people in America get their news from social media.”

            Clinton complained that when she tried to talk to young people “to engage in some kind of reasonable discussion, it was very difficult because they did not know history, they had very little context, and what they were being told on social media was not just one-sided, it was pure propaganda.”

            The former first lady concluded, “So just pause on that for a second. They are seeing short-form videos, some of them totally made up, some of them not at all representing what they claim to be showing, and that’s where they get their information.”

            If that’s not a denial, what is? Even if there is some amount of propaganda, it’s undeniable the horrors that have occurred. It’s not pure propaganda and she failed to speak to what actually has occurred.

            This is literally the same thing as holocaust denial. She’s claiming to be an authority of the history of the region, when in reality the history doesn’t invalidate or excuse what has occurred for over two years against an occupied people.

            • hatorade@lemmy.world
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              13 days ago

              Remember this when the shitlibs tell us that Clinton was the lesser evil. She is actively for genocide.

  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    14 days ago

    Genocide denial in the face of obvious genocide is genocide support.

    Clinton remains the de facto head of the centrist wing of the party, and she’s telling everyone the only thing they’ve ever been about.

    • sbrodolino21@lemmy.world
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      14 days ago

      “Smart, well-educated, young people from our own country, from around the world, where were they getting their information?” asked Clinton during a New York conference hosted by the Israeli newspaper Israel Hayom. “They were getting their information from social media, particularly TikTok.”

      She continued, “That is where they were learning about what happened on October 7th, what happened in the days, weeks, and months to follow. That’s a serious problem. It’s a serious problem for democracy, whether it’s Israel or the United States, and it’s a serious problem for our young people.”

      This is the quote from Clinton. She’s bringing up the dangers of media manipulation, and this article’s headline kinda proves her point.

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          13 days ago

          Correct, it’s why Congress tried to ban it until it became Trump approved propaganda. It was unbiased, and had to be for American ears.

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        14 days ago

        All I see is the Queen of the Centrists assuming anyone who disagrees with her must be stupid or gullible instead of absolutely right.

        So basically a centrist acting like every other centrist I’ve ever encountered. Dead wrong and arrogant about it.

        • sbrodolino21@lemmy.world
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          14 days ago

          She doesn’t say anything close to that actually, try to read the article again in a more matter-of-factly way. Your completely legitimate political opinions -I don’t particularly like Hillary Clinton myself- shouldn’t prevent you from judging what she says fairly.

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            13 days ago

            “You’re taking what he’s saying out of context! That’s not what he meant!” -trump supporters.

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              13 days ago

              The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. His heart sank as he thought of the enormous power arrayed against him, the ease with which any Party intellectual would overthrow him in debate, the subtle arguments which he would not be able to understand, much less answer. And yet he was in the right! They were wrong and he was right.

              Now that Harris moved the needle to 2016 Republicans, it’s now time for the DNC brainwormed shitlibs to say that anything that the DNC told them is Fake News. You can’t pay rent? Fake news! Line went up!

      • hatorade@lemmy.world
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        13 days ago

        https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

        In its self-described “pied piper” strategy, the Clinton campaign proposed intentionally cultivating extreme right-wing presidential candidates, hoping to turn them into the new “mainstream of the Republican Party” in order to try to increase Clinton’s chances of winning.

        The Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee called for using far-right candidates “as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right.” Clinton’s camp insisted that Trump and other extremists should be “elevated” to “leaders of the pack” and media outlets should be told to “take them seriously.”