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    6 days ago

    In a place where elections don’t happen, or are obviously rigged? Sure, mostly agree. In the US, though, tens upon tens of millions of people gleefully, zealousy voted for Trump. When Biden was in the primaries with Bernie lots of the supposed “left” voted for Biden even before the DNC really got fucky with it.

    US citizens really need to understand that it’s not enough to be acting like stupid, scared little babies who can’t be held accountable because they had a surprising amount of control over the situation for decades and yet still let this happen mostly voluntarily. As a Canadian who has always voted progressive, it’s the same situation here, arguably worse in some ways because we’ve even had a viable third party option the whole time. Our two countries are embarrassing, and acting like a dude saying “not all men” whenever someone expresses anger over our collective actions doesn’t help anyone.

    I’m sure all those Palestinian/Iranian/Lebanese people killed by US/Israeli strikes, with unconditional help from Canadian resources, would really love to hear how it wasn’t your fault, specifically.

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      there is a far left that goes so far it ends up helping the right. Much of the issue was non voting as well as the trumpholes voting for facism.

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        Why didn’t those people vote? It wasn’t because Harris was a progressive and they thought she wasn’t progressive enough, it was because she was already just a corpo centrist and refusing to acknowledge the genocide in Gaza was the nail in the coffin. All she had to do was say the truth and she refused.

        And then she fucked off immediately, leaving everyone else to the GOP because actually caring isn’t her style.

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          yup and so we got trump and the gendocide in gaza has never been better. the palestinians rejoiced at the comfort brought by their friends in the us.

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            Sure, I don’t disagree with that and I probably would have voted if I were in the US. At some point, though, it’s not the fault of people who refuse to vote for the controlled opposition. They’re sick of the cycle, sick of this “strategic” voting crap, and sick of lending their voices to the validation of major human rights violations. I really cannot blame them for their decision.

            The US clinging to false, centrist comfort instead of doing the uncomfortable thing to get shit done is a big reason why they’re in this mess.

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              if america was centerist that would be great but its not where we are at. The anti centerist prefer extreme right.

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                The US is a fascist country with the only opposition being “centrism”. Centrism is a relativistic political ideology which really only exists to provide an incredibly weak alternative to conservatism that doesn’t immediately scare voters with things like actually doing anything different and of value.

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                  the us has been allowed to become more facist by folks ok with it. either actively or passively. conservatism is fine if we are talking teddy roosevelt and other pre nixon when its true to its ideals. its not conservative vs liberal its facist vs democracy.

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                    Do you understand where conservatism came from? Are you familiar with what it’s trying to conserve? It’s cultural stagnation in favour of the privileged class with an economic approach to match.

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              There you go running propaganda for fascists again.

              This guy fucking loves telling people fighting for democracy that there is no hope. Just like any good fascist propagandist.

              Fuck outta here.

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                In what way? “Just give in to the endless cycle of the right getting worse and the center-right doing nothing to fix it” is your plan for a better tomorrow? Sure thing bud, that’ll definitely work this time!

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                  Yep. Obvious fascist propagandist is obvious.

                  Go ahead and get the last word. You know you need it. Like Steven Miller about to pop a blood vessel in hisnforehead. You need it. Fascist.

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                    You haven’t explained it your position, you’ve just called the guy who votes strictly progressive a fascist which is, frankly, absurd.

                    But sure, keep telling everyone that the solution is to keep enabling the ratchet effect, that’s totally not going to help the far-right. You got this, champ.