That MFer said he was going to write a dissertation refuting the validity of ’For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in’ (Matthew 25:35).
The fucking gall of these people.
American Evangelicals have been tying themselves in knots trying to argue against those kinds of Bible passages. Their mental gymnastics are as impressive as they are stupid.
said he was going to write a dissertation
Thankfully, him being a Trumpist, that means fuck all.
Fun fact, trump’s Bible is KJV… with some additional bonus content.
Done that way because KJV has no copy protection and can be reprinted without paying royalties.
Pope Leo uses the King James Version
Uh…no he doesn’t. I know the point the that Johnson doesn’t care about the Bible, only blowing Trump, but Catholics have a list of approved translations (linking here to the US Council of Catholic Bishops because Leo was a member before becoming Pope), and KJV isn’t on it. King James VI & I is the one who commissioned it, and was notably not Catholic. KJV is like…the English Protestant translation…
This is legitimately the first time I’ve heard the Catholics don’t accept the KJV. Was there ever a period where they did, or is it that the Catholics never got over the fact that an Anglican king commissioned the translation and have always rejected it?
The basis of the issue had much to do with vernacular translations themselves. The practice of using various vernaculars overall meant different sermons, parables, lessons, etc. Fundamentally this meant churches were not considered in communion if they weren’t using Latin, and especially not if they weren’t using a Church approved Bible.
So ultimately a monarch, the English king, specifically commissioning a vernacular Bible, was acting in direct defiance to the church and throwing fuel into that fire.
I don’t think the Catholic church ever ‘accepted’ or ‘approved’ that version, or would.
My background is protestant, so I think of the transition to a bible in the vernacular as a triumph of individualism and literacy, but I just sort of assumed eventually the Catholics got around to approving a bunch of bibles in living languages, and the kjv made the list. I don’t have a lot of respect for the kjv as a faithful reproduction of the source material, but I do think of it as an aesthetically pleasing work in its own right, so I’m mildly surprised, I suppose — I don’t think of any Christian sect as being particularly exacting about the accuracy of their translation, but I see a lot of them being in favor of documents that are difficult for the layperson to understand, which the kjv certainly is.
I mean they sort of did. The church never wavered from ‘approved list only’ but the vernacular question of teachings definitely lightened up. However, that also didn’t prevent or undo centuries of bloodshed and misery. It’s all very ‘proper channels for that’ to arrive at the same conclusions anyway.
I was gonna say, Trump has never had an original cartoon villain scheme in his life, because this was the original Trump Bible. The translation work actually started with Henry VIII. He did it because he wanted a theologically justified excuse for his tyranny and cruelty, so the arrogant son of a bitch said “If the Bible doesn’t agree with me, I’ll write my own version that says I can.”
Here is a great article all about it. The short version is, it was monarchist propaganda commissioned by a monarchy. Shock and awe, under modern readings by the political right, it justifies and encourages using unilateral absolute authority and backing it up with force and divine punishment.
However, I think it’s a hilarious and ironic twist that they cite BYU, given Mormonism’s own endeavor to “translate” their own so-called “ancient scripture.” Speaking as an ex-Mormon, BYU’s department of religious studies is indeed rigorous and authoritative on the contemporary history of the writing of the English Bible. That said, stop paying attention to anything they say after the calendar rolls over into the 19th century, because that’s when they start glazing their cult leader.
Nope, Catholics used Latin at the time and it’s also just not a great English translation, also they don’t have exactly the same books. Though apparently in 2020 someone published a catholic variant of the kjv
I’ve never been able to find a good answer to that question. I know there some differences in what exactly gets included (see the deuterocanonical books/apocrypha), so I don’t think that it’s ever been accepted, but I can’t give a real source there.
It may have been a tactical move on his part. Leo’s American, he knows the King James Version as well as any American Christian, in addition to his fluency in more authentic translations. Mike is a KJV-only Evangelical, so any argument Leo could make would only be accepted if it was from the KJV, otherwise it would be dismissed out of hand entirely. Logically, it seems like if this was true, he was fighting the battle on Mike’s own ground to try and wrap him up and disprove him with his own source.
Unfortunately, he made the tragic error of playing chess with a pigeon.
Wikipedia:
The God Bless the U.S.A. Bible, also known as the Trump Bible, is an anthology or compilation of texts (…) in the realm of American Civil Religion and Trumpism, containing an edition of the King James Version of the Christian Bible, alongside texts related to the foundation and politics of the United States such as a purposefully incomplete version of the Constitution of the United States, the Declaration of Independence, and the Pledge of Allegiance.
Ah yes, the separation of State and Religion.
The first footnote specifies:
In the back, the Bibles included the Constitution, but Amendments 11-27 [are] missing.
So this is what Johnson means when he says: “go pick up a Bible off your shelf and read it — that’s my worldview”
The included KJV Bible is complete btw, according to another article. In other words: he simply did not read the passage in question. The Bible is made for cherry picking, and MAGA have mastered that art. No surprises.
Pope better not be using that protestant rag of a translation. Also it’s infamously the worst translated English language bible prioritizing poetic phrasing and political points of the eponymous King James VI/I over accuracy of translation and readability. Hell the point in the article is even worse given that the trump bible is the king james
The king James is only treated as the default in lots of America because of a weird culture war thing
Religion is a lot more fun when you just ignore all of its teachings and use it to justify your own prejudices and psychoses. Christianity has nothing to do with what they believe, if they believe anything at all.
Literally how every religious person does it.
No, but it does simplify life if you believe that.
And I’m sure its comforting for you to believe that. Unfortunately looking down on others doesnt make you right.
Am I crazy for expecting to see the exchange quotes in here somewhere?
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