In a press conference this week on New York City’s $12 billion budget gap, Mayor Zohran Mamdani zeroed in on the previous administration’s artificial intelligence chatbot as one of “a number of different things we’re going to pursue for savings.”

  • FlyingCircus@lemmy.world
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    I’ve been accused of being a tankie, and I think he’s great. But obviously the McCarthyites of Lemmy would rather create a straw man than listen to anything a red has to say.

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      Tankie does not equal any communist. People are fine with listening to socialists and communists, it’s MLs they draw the line at.

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      If you’re comparing shitting on tankies to McCarthyism, you might be a tankie.

      Lots of people on the left hate tankies, because tankies are more fascist than leftist in praxis. McCarthyism basically accuses anyone with a remotely left-wing opinion as being as bad as a tankie, which is a strawman.

      Tankies have more in common with McCarthyism than they’re willing to admit. That’s called horseshoe politics.

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        I would swap fascism with authoritarianism or totalitarianism. To equal the left and right wing in any kind always sounds like horseshoe theory. But apart from that you are right.

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          I know precisely what fascism is, and the dumbfuck tankies accusing Mamdani of it are absolutely wrong.

          I said they’re the same in praxis, not ideology. You’d think a fucking leftist would understand the difference.

          And your picture is kind of a strawman in this context, because I wasn’t using “horseshoe politics” to describe phenomena of the abolition era. I was using it to describe phenomena of the current era where the contexts are different. But since tankies are allergic to nuance, I don’t suppose you’ll be comprehend that and you’ll probably just resort to ad hominems.

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            Yes dear, everyone that doesn’t agree with your nonsense is a tankie, and therefore wrong.

            You were saying about ad hominems?

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              I never said everyone who disagrees with me is a tankie. I said anyone who accuses Mamdani of being a fascist is a tankie. That’s a delusion no one but a tankie would hold.

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                Nah dear, the horseshoe nonsense is something you seem to be partial to. “Tankies”, not so much.

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                  Cause I totally invented the term “red fash” and that’s not something that a fairly large portion of people already recognize and find to be a helpful concept?

                  Because authoritarianism, ideological purism, and militarism are sooo different when the people perpetuating them call themselves leftists. Not the same thing at all as the people doing the same things in the name of the nation-state, ethnoreligion, and capital. (/s for anyone who missed it).

                  Lenin killed a bunch of communists after they beat him in an election. But he called himself a communist, so tankies gobble his dick. Tankies love sabotaging electoral processes so they can claim it doesn’t work.

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                    Cause I totally invented the term “red fash”

                    Oh, don’t worry, nobody’s accusing you of actually putting enough thought into things to invent that.

                    Lenin killed a bunch of communists after they beat him in an election

                    The bait and swtich of “all power to the Soviets” to “ummm actually the Party is the people” was actually Trotsky’s particular bullshit, but since the Bolsheviks took it, they own it.

                    so tankies gobble his dick

                    And you consider everyone who doesn’t swallow your particular brand of ineffective purity a tankie, it seems.

                    I don’t agree with plenty of things from the Bolsheviks - the critiques of Luxembourg I think were particularly apt and prescient. But, with that said, I also don’t let my very basic disagreement with that justify alliance with something far worse, the capitalist and fascist forces that the left as a whole opposes. And nonsense like “red fash” does exactly that. And usually seems to follow the Parenti phrased criticism of only allowing respect for revolutions that fail. You’re validating horseshoe theory, the most nonsense liberal rewriting of history.

                    You want, you can go kill all the Bolsheviks you really want to after the revolution. Until then, it’s the same counterproductive and idiotic posturing that the Stalinist for Fashion idiots demonstrate, except with a black flag instead of a red one.

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        Fascist tankies? Tell me you’ve huffed capitalist propaganda without telling me you’ve huffed capitalist propaganda. Y’all are miseducated af